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I can cook rather well, myself. But even if I don't feel like cooking, I can do simple things. Example, instead of a sandwich with meat, cheese, and tomatoes, I take the cheese and tomatoes and roll them up inside a slice or two of deli meat (ham and/or turkey).

One thing I don't like about that no-carb diet is that it's totally unsuitable for vegetarians.

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Gender Equity

IN THE BEGINNING: The human male and female were created equal (like the other creatures) with no sexual inhibitions or hidden secrets. We were at peace and in harmony with God, the universe and each other. Gender issues, as we know them today, did not exist. Then, we created many artificial differences that resulted in unnatural problems, secrecy and gender tensions.

CLOTHING: We first created clothing, not to protect us from the elements but to hide our physical differences from each other. This resulted in stereotyped female and male clothing to further disguise and promote our differences. It created unnatural secrecy, curiosity and tensions between female and male. What a giant step backward!

Today, the clothing trend is starting to reverse. It is now acceptable for the female to wear all traditional male styled clothing. However, there is still a real bias against the male wearing any traditional female styled clothing (skirts, dresses, blouses, underwear, lacy and frilly items).

RESTROOMS: Next, we created an unnatural secrecy around basic bodily functions by establishing separate restrooms for female and male users and implementing different levels of secrecy for both. The female was always provided private stalls with 6-foot walls and doors. However, the male was given open urinals and inadequate stalls. Male stalls were either non-existent or had only 4-foot walls (sometimes without doors). This secrecy only promoted unnatural curiosity and perversion.

Today, due to long lines, females frequently use male restrooms. However, the male is still prohibited from using the female restroom unless he can pass as a female. The family restroom addresses some aspects of this bias by permitting opposite gender assistance for children, elderly and handicapped. However, true unisex use is prohibited (even for married adults).

BATH, DRESSING, & SPORTS: When the concept of a bath was established, we again created separate facilities for the female and male. Heaven forbid they should see each other without clothes. We provided privacy curtains for the female, but not the male, in dressing and shower areas. Why the difference? We even added basic health and fitness as secret and forbidden differences by creating separate exercise and recreational facilities. Why so much secrecy?

OTHER GENDER BIAS: We continued these exclusions and differences to all areas of human life: employment, sports, recreation, family life, and etcetera. Fortunately, some of these biases are now being eliminated. However, the rate of change is much too slow.

CONCLUSIONS: We must establish true gender equity for everyone. Making all clothing acceptable for both sexes will abolish one stereotype. True unisex restrooms with adequate stalls for privacy will eliminate another bias and provide additional security for both female and male users. Bath and dressing facilities must be designed for unisex usage and individual privacy. Sports, health and recreation facilities must offer shared usage for both female and male users. Gender biases must also be eliminated from employment and all other social areas of our life.

I wasn't saying you had a problem - I really don't know. That's the problem, that I don't know, as I can't seem to find a comparison in my own life. I get harassed about stuff, but am not overcome with rage. Its possible on the net I misread your rage as stronger than it is, but now that seems less likely. It's possible you've met a brand of aggressive idiot that I haven't encountered, I don't have to deal with straight guys (perhaps they're often much worse). I don't know... you suggested that its possible its an age difference, that you've gone through it a lot more or longer, and I thought that sounded like an intelligent answer, one that seemed to answer my questions. but then... whoa. I don't even know what to say to all this anger suddenly directed at me. I don't think I said anything negative, and was attempting to understand your situation, and with your original answer, I thought it worked out fine. But now? I don't know. You're quick to rip into anyone that preaches or says anything which might possibly be a negative comment toward you, but you're constantly shooting out your own very angry negative statements about sexuals, or people who you don't like, or, now, me. You think I've got a problem? Now, if you'd approached this with some civility, I would have apologized for offending you, but, you're flinging the insults at me now rather than trying to figure this out with some diplomacy (I'm ... deceptive?)?? If there's one thing I'm not, its deceptive. I might be sometimes rude, insensitive, socially inept, etc., but I'm honest to a fault and frankly quite offended at yet another burst of anger. I'm not even sure what you mean by head games or my "little test". To those of you who do think I said something wrong in a previous post, I say I meant no offense, and it was more likely that social ineptness (of which I cannot possibly be the only victim here ;) , rather than deliberate attempts to play "head games".

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***Enraged? Oh no, not me. I look at it as...there are 24 hours in a day. I spend 8 of them sleeping and 8 of them working, that leaves me 8 hours. I spend 2 hours preparing for and going to & from work, that leaves me 6 hours and be damned if I'm going to waste any of that time being enraged about something that is of such little consequence to me. I only get enraged when people make me angry, I can't be mad at pathetic people. I'll save my rage for when someone gropes me or makes remarks about my body LOL ***

Is CiJay now enraged? Well if she is she is quite justified and it is a very NORMAL response.

I agree. There is just a very big difference between "any" and "all" and I've lived all my life with people telling me that I AM sexual if I wanted to be but I'm just lost, misinformed, opressed etc etc etc so it's sort of a groaner to be told, one more time that I'm not 100% asexual. (Repetitious as all shit, actually, I've heard it a bazillion times before)

I do believe that we shouldn't try to force our experiences on other people, and that if someone beleives something to be true you can pretty much bet that it is at least true for them.

I do however find a comfort in someone stating not all of use are % 100 asexual. I do not find myself 100% asexual and I find comfort in hearing that someone else finds the same for themselfs at least.

I don't condone anyone forcing their beliefs onto others.

Autumn

[email protected] wrote: Message: 1 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 12:11:22 -0500 (EST) From: Jim Sinclair Subject: Re: Where's the line?

On 2 Jan 2004, Cijay said:

adriennesis said:

I dont think any of us are 100% asexual, we all have some sort of sexual feelings in our lives but we may not reconaize it or care for it to act on.

***I'm gonna' go out on a limb here and say that I know myself well enough to know that there are no sexual feelings.

Thank you, Cijay. This was one place where I had hoped I would *not* have people telling me that I don't really know how I feel, or that the kind of person I am does not exist. :-(

Sex is part of life, even in small biological and hormon functions inside our bodies. ***what if there is a malfunction?***

Or just a NON-function. I don't consider my lack of sexuality to be a malfunction or a dysfunction. I do have a pretty good idea of what happened abnormally in my biological and hormone functions (weird prenatal hormone environment, plus autism, plus or including some sort of weird brain activity in the temporal lobes, which just happen to be a critical area for sexuality), but I don't think of those abnormalities as being "defects." Migraines, asthma, joint pain--*those* I consider to be malfunctions. Those I would change or cure if I could. But being asexual isn't a problem, it's just the way I am.

***my mind, body, resoning, brain and every other part of me isn't remotely interested. I can't make people believe me, I've learned that.***

Annoying, isn't it? :-(

I have a friend who does believe me, but has explained that sexuality is such a core part of most people's being that they simply cannot imagine not having it, nor imagine what it's like to not have it.

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I don't mind watching movies that have sex in it, because I think about the romantic aspect of it...but the act does make me cringe.

I guess I'm just a romantic, that's all. Anyone else that way here?

Watching people having sex is, for me, about as interesting as watching people eating. It doesn't turn me off, it doesn't disgust me, but neither do I find it all that interesting.

glenn

On 3 Jan 2003, 02:13 +00:00, kilraven62 said:

One thing I don't like about that no-carb diet is that it's totally unsuitable for vegetarians.

Vegetables don't have a lot of carbs. At least, the non- starchy ones. I eat a lot of vegetables -- salad greens, broccoli, cauliflower, bell pepper, radishes, mushrooms. Then again, I also eat large quantities of meat, eggs, and cheese... I suppose one can go low-carb using soy-based protein products instead of meat, but what would be the point? Better off to eat the real thing -- it's better for you. :)

glenn

And to show the whole thing in the movie, unless it's a porn movie of course is a waste of film and time in the movie.

And yet, I don't mind some porn films as long as it's gay or lesbian sex by queer producers. I get so darn bored with str8 sex...LOL.

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IN THE BEGINNING: The human male and female were created equal (like the other creatures) with no sexual inhibitions or hidden secrets. We were at peace and in harmony with God, the universe and each other. Gender issues, as we know them today, did not exist. Then, we created many artificial differences that resulted in unnatural problems, secrecy and gender tensions.

No reputable archeologist, historian or ethnologist would agree with you. This is all based on a literal reading of the Bible, which as any scholar can tell you is based on oral traditions, many of which originated in various places and is based on mores rather than strictly history as we understand the word today. In other words, you've attempted to rewrite old mythologies. J.R.R. Tolkien knew what he was doing, IMHO, you don't.

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The emails concerning this topic have pissed me off and others just so you can remember this and not to attempt to pick one person and go on your tangent of how I must have a problem.

It appears you may have one yourself. It's called deceptiveness and head games. I don't like either one nor your little test.

Hear, hear! <G>

FWIW, I agree with you. The whole topic puzzled me when it started because it appeared to be off topic and at the very least I think that the author is wasting our time because it doesn't improve our understanding of ourselves or others.

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I suppose one can go low-carb using soy-based protein products instead of meat, but what would be the point? Better off to eat the real thing -- it's better for you. :)

No it's not, it's got too much of the bad kind of fat and there's now the issue of "Mad Cow" to worry about. I'm glad I don't eat meat as all that stuff is moot to me.

There's a bazillion Asians, Buddhists, Seventh Day Adventists and Vegans who can tell you that a vegetarian diet is an excellent one.

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Hi have posted in that site, I have written to some of the people there and I have get some answer, but after that they stopped e mail, I dont know seems that they denay to themself the chance to be happy, as for me, I wont give up, I will keep trying since I dont want to be alone anymore.

alex

jmnoble@... wrote: Cijay, My heart goes out to you. I think this is a deeper loss than most anyone can understand. A jilted lover is quite different and can be replaced without much effort.

This has to be such a crushing blow. I am sorry for you and also wish I had a friend who was more like us too.

I do have one friend in town who is Asexual but she lies all of the time and does other things that make friendship a real trial rather than a real joy.

Jen

And how do you explain it to your friends and parents? Damn, it feels like you "come out".

ANYONE?

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***The only person I have 'come out' to is my mum and it really wasn't a big deal to her. I still don't think that she 'gets' it, seems to think I'm just not interested in a sexual relationship (tho' I think she heard very clearly that I like gay men because they're safe for me). I was just very depressed and was saying that there is nowhere for asexual people to go, nowhere to meet others.

When my friend went into heat and dumped all of his friends except for the one who'd lie down for him, a lot of people figured I was the jilted lover. They weren't viewing it as a lost friend but as a jealous love or something. Mum is the only one who realises exactly where this hurt me, everyone else sees it as a romantic break up.***

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Are 7th Day Adventists vegetarian? There's my new thing I've learned today. I'm very loyal to learning a new thing every day.

On 3 Jan 2003, 23:02 +00:00, kilraven62 said:

I suppose one can go low-carb using soy-based protein products instead of meat, but what would be the point? Better off to eat the real thing -- it's better for you. :)

No it's not, it's got too much of the bad kind of fat and there's now the issue of "Mad Cow" to worry about. I'm glad I don't eat meat as all that stuff is moot to me.

There's a bazillion Asians, Buddhists, Seventh Day Adventists and Vegans who can tell you that a vegetarian diet is an excellent one.

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Alex, do you know how to edit your post on that site? As I figured I would, as soon as I posted, I thought of a bunch of other things to say.

Don't worry about the people not answering back, all it means is that you weren't a match. Nothing wrong with you, nothing wrong with them, they just figured they didn't have enough in common.

Hi have posted in that site, I have written to some of the people there and I have get some answer, but after that they stopped e mail, I dont know seems that they denay to themself the chance to be happy, as for me, I wont give up, I will keep trying since I dont want to be alone anymore.

alex

jmnoble@b... wrote: Cijay, My heart goes out to you. I think this is a deeper loss than most anyone can understand. A jilted lover is quite different and can be replaced without much effort.

This has to be such a crushing blow. I am sorry for you and also wish I had a friend who was more like us too.

I do have one friend in town who is Asexual but she lies all of the time and does other things that make friendship a real trial rather than a real joy.

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And how do you explain it to your friends and parents? Damn, it feels like you "come out".

ANYONE?

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***The only person I have 'come out' to is my mum and it really wasn't a big deal to her. I still don't think that she 'gets' it, seems to think I'm just not interested in a sexual relationship (tho' I think she heard very clearly that I like gay men because they're safe for me). I was just very depressed and was saying that there is nowhere for asexual people to go, nowhere to meet others.

When my friend went into heat and dumped all of his friends except for the one who'd lie down for him, a lot of people figured I was the jilted lover. They weren't viewing it as a lost friend but as a jealous love or something. Mum is the only one who realises exactly where this hurt me, everyone else sees it as a romantic break up.***

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On 3 Jan 2003, 23:02 +00:00, kilraven62 said:

I suppose one can go low-carb using soy-based protein products instead of meat, but what would be the point? Better off to eat the real thing -- it's better for you. :)

No it's not, it's got too much of the bad kind of fat and there's now the issue of "Mad Cow" to worry about. I'm glad I don't eat meat as all that stuff is moot to me.

The worst kind of fats are the artificial "trans-fatty acids" found in margarine and some cooking oils. Truth is, animal fat is much better for you than some people would have us believe.

As for the issue of "mad cow", one cow found in Washington State and the media is screaming like it's the new Black Death plague. There is one fortunate side-effect, the price of beef has gone down. I've been buying huge quantities of the low-priced beef and storing it in my freezer.

There's a bazillion Asians, Buddhists, Seventh Day Adventists and Vegans who can tell you that a vegetarian diet is an excellent one.

Most Asians are not vegetarians. They may eat poultry and fish instead of beef and pork, but they are not vegetarians. And only certain sects of Buddhism are vegetarian -- the majority are not. I don't know any Seventh Day Adventists, so I can't comment there... but most vegans I've met look like they're severely malnourished. I do know some healthy vegetarians, but most of that can be attributed to the fact that they avoid junk food as much as they avoid meat.

Also keep in mind that the natural human diet consists of meat, nuts, berries, and roots. (Plus eggs when they're in season.) Our caveman ancestors were most certainly not vegetarians. The diet they ate bore little resemblance to the standard North American diet today.

Meat is good. I eat large amounts of it. Since I started doing so, I've lost well over 100 pounds, my blood pressure is down, my triglycerides are down, my cholesterol is down... quite the opposite of what you'd expect if your anti-meat propaganda was true, no? :)

glenn carnivore and proud of it

There is still no common agreement regarding what "asexual" means because this group is populated with celibates. You must be blind or celibate to not perceive that.

hey now.. we're not all celibates. but yeah, i followed the thread and wasn't offended.. so i guess your point sorta stands. There is no ultimate definition for "asexual" ... None of us can point fingers and say "s/he isn't asexual!" because none of us know everyone inside out. Hell, there are probably members of this group who are unsure if they themselves are asexual or not.

It seems that some members are not simply asexual, they're anti-sex (personally, not quite as militantly as others have been) and are offended by the thought of anyone acting in any way sexual to them.. or someone mentioning sexual/intimate acts (erections, 'swapping spit', etc.)

IMO there's a bit of overreaction around here lately and closed-mindedness has made me want to crawl back into my hole until it all blows over. -s

Are 7th Day Adventists vegetarian? There's my new thing I've learned today. I'm very loyal to learning a new thing every day.

According to sources, about one-third to one-half of Seventh Day Adventists are vegetarians. So while it would technically not be accurate to say 7DA's are vegetarians, it would appear that vegetarianismis much more prevalant among 7DA's than among most other Christian denominations. I have no idea why.

Some fun reading: http://www.nexusmagazine.com/vegemyths1.html

glenn

Are 7th Day Adventists vegetarian? There's my new thing I've learned today. I'm very loyal to learning a new thing every day.

Many are, but it's not a requirement. There's a whole industry that's sprung up supplying vegetarian foods for 7th Day Adventists and you can probably find some of them in your grocers; Worthington is the most obvious one, I just found out that it's part of Kellogg's (which I think probably bought it a few years ago as my understanding is that it was founded by 7th Day Adventists.)

http://www.kelloggs.com/products/morningstar/

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tlshell@c... said:

On 3 Jan 2003, 23:02 +00:00, kilraven62 said:

I suppose one can go low-carb using soy-based protein products instead of meat, but what would be the point? Better off to eat the real thing -- it's better for you. :)

No it's not, it's got too much of the bad kind of fat and there's now the issue of "Mad Cow" to worry about. I'm glad I don't eat meat as all that stuff is moot to me.

The worst kind of fats are the artificial "trans-fatty acids" found in margarine and some cooking oils. Truth is, animal fat is much better for you than some people would have us believe.

Animal fat has an incredible amount of calories per unit; sugar is actually better for you in this respect, and animal fat raises your cholesterol level.

As for the issue of "mad cow", one cow found in Washington State and the media is screaming like it's the new Black Death plague. There is one fortunate side-effect, the price of beef has gone down. I've been buying huge quantities of the low-priced beef and storing it in my freezer.

It's not just the one cow; that cow had like 70 companions that came over from Canada and they're still looking for them in order to run tests. It was only by accident that this one was discovered and there's no telling if any got into the food chain. Wow, there's sure a lot of info on the Internet about it... http://www.mad-cow.org/ (general stuff)

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-01-05-mad-cow-fda_x.htm FDA has yet to close loopholes in mad-cow regulation (1-5-04)

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/US/12/28/mad.cow/ (12-29-03) "Ron DeHaven, the U.S. Department of Agriculture's chief of veterinary medicine, said Canadian records show the cow -- a Holstein -- entered the United States via Eastport, Idaho, with a herd of 73 other cows in August 2001."

There's a bazillion Asians, Buddhists, Seventh Day Adventists and Vegans who can tell you that a vegetarian diet is an excellent one.

Most Asians are not vegetarians. They may eat poultry and fish instead of beef and pork, but they are not vegetarians. And only certain sects of Buddhism are vegetarian -- the majority are not.

True, but most Asians do eat soy foods, regardless of whether or not they are vegetarians and they can tell you how healthy these foods are. I added Buddhist vegetarians because they have some really good recipes. (-:

I don't know any Seventh Day Adventists, so I can't comment there... but most vegans I've met look like they're severely malnourished. I do know some healthy vegetarians, but most of that can be attributed to the fact that they avoid junk food as much as they avoid meat.

I don't think the problem is being vegan, I think it's the fact that so many people are overweight that vegans, who are pretty skinny, "look" malnourished by comparison. However, I only knew one and she wasn't malnourished by any means. I'm sure there are unhealthy vegans because most Americans know very little about nutrition and you need to educate yourself in order to eat a good vegan diet.

Also keep in mind that the natural human diet consists of meat, nuts, berries, and roots. (Plus eggs when they're in season.) Our caveman ancestors were most certainly not vegetarians. The diet they ate bore little resemblance to the standard North American diet today.

The "caveman" diet was much higher in fiber than most of us eat today and it's doubtful that it was as rich in meat as you seem to imply because hunting is a hit-or-miss proposition most of the time. It's much easier to catch plants because they don't move. Insects were likely an important part of the diet as well, and are high in protein.

Anyway, back to your regular topic, whatever aspect you want to discuss.

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As far as I know, some 7th Day Adventists are and others aren't.

Are 7th Day Adventists vegetarian? There's my new thing I've learned today. I'm very loyal to learning a new thing every day.

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On 3 Jan 2003, 23:02 +00:00, kilraven62 said:

I suppose one can go low-carb using soy-based protein products instead of meat, but what would be the point? Better off to eat the real thing -- it's better for you. :)

No it's not, it's got too much of the bad kind of fat and there's now the issue of "Mad Cow" to worry about. I'm glad I don't eat meat as all that stuff is moot to me.

There's a bazillion Asians, Buddhists, Seventh Day Adventists and Vegans who can tell you that a vegetarian diet is an excellent one.

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There is still no common agreement regarding what "asexual" means because this group is populated with celibates. You must be blind or celibate to not perceive that.

hey now.. we're not all celibates. but yeah, i followed the thread and wasn't offended.. so i guess your point sorta stands. There is no ultimate definition for "asexual" ... None of us can point fingers and say "s/he isn't asexual!" because none of us know everyone inside out. Hell, there are probably members of this group who are unsure if they themselves are asexual or not.

I don't think it's antisexual to be grossed out by descriptions of sexual activity, deep kissing, etc. If you're asexual and feel no inclination toward such behavior with anyone, then your feelings apply to you and not to the rest of society. Antisexual would be a social thing, I think.

It seems that some members are not simply asexual, they're anti-sex (personally, not quite as militantly as others have been) and are offended by the thought of anyone acting in any way sexual to them.. or someone mentioning sexual/intimate acts (erections, 'swapping spit', etc.)

IMO there's a bit of overreaction around here lately and closed- mindedness has made me want to crawl back into my hole until it all blows over. -s

On 4 Jan 2003, 02:08 +00:00, kilraven62 said:

Animal fat has an incredible amount of calories per unit; sugar is actually better for you in this respect, and animal fat raises your cholesterol level.

"Calories per unit" is not a measure of how healthy a substance is. Sugar is one of the worst things for the body. And animal fat does *not* raise your cholesterol level. I've been eating great huge quantities of animal fat in the past 18 months, yet my cholesterol level has *fallen*.

http://www.ravnskov.nu/cholesterol.htm http://medicaltruth.com/cholesterol/myth.htm

True, but most Asians do eat soy foods, regardless of whether or not they are vegetarians and they can tell you how healthy these foods are.

The health benefits of soy have been oversold to a gullible public. In fact, for some people, soy can do more harm than good. If someone has an underactive thyroid (as I do -- I'm on prescription medication for it), soy is at the top of the list of foods to *avoid*.

Besides, for most Asians, soy is a condiment, not a staple. The average soy consumption in Japan is 10 grams a day.

http://www.westonaprice.org/myths_truths/myths_truths_soy.html http://www.fact-ltd.org/soyhype.html http://www.healingcrow.com/soy/soy.html

I added Buddhist vegetarians because they have some really good recipes. (-:

Nothing wrong with good vegetarian recipes. I *do* eat vegetables, after all. In fact, I eat more vegetables than many other people I know whose diets seem to be based on grain products...

because most Americans know very little about nutrition and you need to educate yourself in order to eat a good vegan diet.

You need to educate yourself in order to eat a good diet of any kind. But vegans tend to be health-conscious in other ways. I've never met a vegan who smoked, for instance. Or one who consumed alcohol in any kind of quantity. And vegans also avoid junk food. Not smoking, not drinking, and staying away from the junk food will do wonders for one's health no matter what they base their diet on.

The "caveman" diet was much higher in fiber than most of us eat today

Which makes a case for eating more fiber, not for avoiding meat.

and it's doubtful that it was as rich in meat as you seem to imply because hunting is a hit-or-miss proposition most of the time. It's much easier to catch plants because they don't move.

You might want to take some anthropology courses, then. A statement like "It's much easier to catch plants because they don't move" tells me you really have no idea what you are talking about. :)

http://www.healingcrow.com/dietsmain/paleo/paleo.html http://www.thepaleodiet.com/

Cijay, Gosh this is just too funny. Oh well, I suppose we all have our quirks.

Jen

Not to mention, it was 30 years before it that she had MADE her little scrap book. I still have mine in my trunk. Every now and again I look through it and laugh about all the pictures I saved.

New Year's Eve my cousin, her kids and my niece and I were watching "Pirates of the Carribbean". My 11yr old niece looked at one of the other kids and pointed to Orlandon Bloom and said "he's soooo hot!" I laughed and said yes, I thought he is cute. My cousin said "a bit young for you, isn't he?" Uh, yeah, and that's the only thing keeping he and I from sharing a lifetime together.

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Hi CiJay, I totally agree with you. You did explain my frustration and what finally angers me. I have some additional comments.

1. These people are brain dead because they can't ACCEPT that I simply do NOT want to bump uglies. 2. This of course makes me gay but then that is another brain dead statement because gay people bump uglies as much as straight people. 3. I think sexual people should simply walk around with the crouch of their pants cut out. I think it would simplify their lives. They can F*** all day and at any given moment.

4. I AM ABSOLUTELY BORED WITH THIS CONVERSATION! 5. We need a new topic that is NOT so ignorant.

Jen

***I'm going to give my answer tho' I know you're talking to Jen and she can give hers, we may differ. (BTW, I'm with you on the turkey!) In my case, the anger is not that I'm being hit on or approached, it's the fact that 'nope' doesn't appease the approacher. I've noticed with most gay guys, when someone says 'nope', they accept that and look elsewhere or still would like a platonic friendship with another guy. I haven't encountered too many straight guys who have been happy with 'nope'. They follow you around, grope, grab, get really obnoxious and make it their personal challenge to bed you. They think that sitting in a park writing a letter, walking on a river valley trail or sitting enjoying KFC in a shopping mall is a CFM message and it's directed at them personally. I don't have a problem with people approaching me and being interested (tho' they should have their eyes checked!) but their shitty little lines that border "come here often" type things are far from original and...they seem to think they know all about me because they're looking at the top of my head as I sit there and write a letter. OR, if it's someone who I've been in a platonic relationship with and they start talking about taking the relationship to the next level, that's when it pisses me off. Also makes me sad because I know at that moment that I've lost another platonic friend.

People constantly trying to fix me up with their brother, cousin, uncle, grandfather (well, okay, that's a stretch). People sticking their nose in my personal business, asking me how old I was when I lost my virginity, where I like doing it, how many I've had etc etc are about as rude as the day is long. They're rude questions for anyone to ask, let alone someone who doesn't know me. Then of course are the ones who tell me I'm not interested in sex because I haven't had it. Then are the ones who know I'm not interested but like to describe their practices. Remember, I have lived 41 years of the above so it's probably more frustration than anything else. Kinda' like when the 12th person in a 5 minute span asks why you're not married. It's like "haven't you heard a bloody thing I SAID???" Jen may have some other points of view, these are just mine.

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Hi Meegan, Yes, I enjoy romance very much as long as it is not sexualized in it's expressions. I don't enjoy nor want anyone to bother me with their interests in kissing, sexual talk, inferences or actions i.e. bumping uglies.

I think a nice romantic meal with candles, low light a sweet slow dance, hand holding with the moon and stars, a lovely walk through tall grass and a multitude of other things are very pleasurable but ONLY if I know the other person would not dare go in a direction that I do not like, want or have any interests.

Jen

I am not afraid to talk about sex, but a lot of it does make me cringe...oral sex for example. I wouldn't be afraid to kiss or touch a man, but beyond that...uh...to be quite the little 6 year old: Ewww.

I don't mind watching movies that have sex in it, because I think about the romantic aspect of it...but the act does make me cringe.

I guess I'm just a romantic, that's all. Anyone else that way here?

Cheers,

Meegan sXe

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