[Haven for the Human Amoeba] Re: carbohydrates
On , tlshell@... said:There's a bazillion Asians, Buddhists, Seventh Day Adventists and Vegans who can tell you that a vegetarian diet is an excellent one.
Yep. Here's one right here. :-)
I don't think much of this low-carb craze, anyway. Seems to me that cholesterol is a much greater health risk than carbohydrates.
Jim Sinclair jisincla@... (asexual intersexed autistic Jewish vegan)
I don't think much of this low-carb craze, anyway. Seems to me that cholesterol is a much greater health risk than carbohydrates.
Since the summer of 2002, I've lost nearly 175 pounds by going low-carb. I used to wear a size 56 waist, and was not far away from having to go up to a 58. I'm now size 46 and foresee being able to get into size 44 by Easter. As for cholesterol, when I tipped the scales at 425 pounds my cholesterol was a little high, but not dangerously so -- 5.2 mmol/L (or for those in the USA, 201 mg/DL). Last blood test, in November, 4.1 mmol/L (159 mg/DL); my weight on that doctor's visit was 270. (It's down to 256 as of two weeks ago.) My blood sugar and triglycerides have also gone down. All this by eating lots of meat, eggs, cheese, and vegetables, while avoiding anything starchy or with sugar.
Yes, vegetables. Mostly tomatoes, green and red peppers, mushrooms, radishes, broccoli, and cauliflower. I eat more vegetables than many other people I know whose diets seem to be based largely on grain products.
glenn
[Haven for the Human Amoeba] Re: carbohydrates
On , kilraven62 said:but most vegans I've met look like they're severely malnourished.
In that case, they're probably just cutting out animal products without taking the trouble to learn how to design a balanced vegan diet. It's really not hard to do. But it does require paying attention to getting enough protein, vitamin B12, etc.
Also keep in mind that the natural human diet consists of meat, nuts, berries, and roots. (Plus eggs when they're in season.) Our caveman ancestors were most certainly not vegetarians. The diet they ate bore little resemblance to the standard North American diet today.
Right--for one thing, they ate a lot LESS meat than is in the standard North American diet today. They only ate meat if they'd had a successful hunt. That didn't happen every day.
Meat is good. I eat large amounts of it. Since I started doing so, I've lost well over 100 pounds, my blood pressure is down, my triglycerides are down, my cholesterol is down... quite the opposite of what you'd expect if your anti-meat propaganda was true, no? :)
How can you be sure that all those benefits are from eating meat, and not from cutting out *other* things (like junk food)?
In any case, my reasons for being vegan have to do with not wanting to be part of inflicting misery and death on animals. Sure, I acknowledge that I could incorporate meat into my diet, and still have a balanced healthy diet that would be good for me. But it would *not* be good for the animals that would be killed to feed me. And since I don't *need* to have meat in order to have a balanced healthy diet that is good for me (and, by the way, tasty and satisfying--I am a good cook!), I choose the balanced, healthy, good-for-me diet that does not involve killing.
Jim Sinclair jisincla@...
Right--for one thing, they ate a lot LESS meat than is in the standard North American diet today. They only ate meat if they'd had a successful hunt. That didn't happen every day.
Didn't need to happen every day. One large animal carcass could feed an entire extended family or small tribe for a long time. Meat was a large component of their diet. There is considerable anthropological evidence for this.
Meat is good. I eat large amounts of it. Since I started doing so, I've lost well over 100 pounds, my blood pressure is down, my triglycerides are down, my cholesterol is down... quite the opposite of what you'd expect if your anti-meat propaganda was true, no? :)
How can you be sure that all those benefits are from eating meat, and not from cutting out *other* things (like junk food)?
Before I went low-carb, I tried going on a more traditional low-fat diet, the kind the "experts" say is the best way to lose weight. And that also required cutting out the junk food. In four months, I lost ten whole pounds. Whee. Not only that, but I was miserable as I had to avoid a lot of my favourite foods (beef, bacon, eggs, cheese), and I was hungry a lot of the time (something I'm not while I'm on the high-protein, low-carbohydrate plan).
In any case, my reasons for being vegan have to do with not wanting to be part of inflicting misery and death on animals.
Whereas I have no qualms about that whatsoever. :)
Sure, I acknowledge that I could incorporate meat into my diet, and still have a balanced healthy diet that would be good for me. But it would *not* be good for the animals that would be killed to feed me.
So what? Many animals eat other animals. It's the natural way of things.
by the way, tasty and satisfying--I am a good cook!), I choose the balanced, healthy, good-for-me diet that does not involve killing.
If you're bothered by killing animals, then by all means avoid eating meat. Killing animals doesn't bother me in the slightest, and so I will continue to eat meat. Lots of it. :)
glenn
hello, I'm also new to the group
Hi,
I'm also new to the group here, having found out about it from the folks over at AVEN. I'm 25, live in Northern NJ, and I have a hard time maintaing relationships because of my disinterest in sex. I do want to get married and *maybe* have a family, but for the moment I am happy to mother my dog Dudley. (who is more than happy to allow himself to be spoiled)
I signed up on the meetup.com site, too - I am hoping to meet some nice people in my age bracket, particularly of the opposite sex, who might be intrested in more than just jumping into my pants.
~Katie.
Re: [Haven for the Human Amoeba] Re: carbohydrates
I think that goes to show that various diets will be successful for certain people. A Vegan diet/lifestyle has worked out for Jim, a low-carb has worked for glenn. Some people need to cut carbs, some calories, some something else. Some can get by losing weight simply due to being active. I can eat anything and never gain or lose... weight gain comes in random spurts once or twice a year.. weight loss is the difficult part.
Sarae Montgomery We're all mad here!
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Jim Sinclair said:I don't think much of this low-carb craze, anyway. Seems to me that cholesterol is a much greater health risk than carbohydrates.
Since the summer of 2002, I've lost nearly 175 pounds by going low-carb. I used to wear a size 56 waist, and was not far away from having to go up to a 58. I'm now size 46 and foresee being able to get into size 44 by Easter. As for cholesterol, when I tipped the scales at 425 pounds my cholesterol was a little high, but not dangerously so -- 5.2 mmol/L (or for those in the USA, 201 mg/DL). Last blood test, in November, 4.1 mmol/L (159 mg/DL); my weight on that doctor's visit was 270. (It's down to 256 as of two weeks ago.) My blood sugar and triglycerides have also gone down. All this by eating lots of meat, eggs, cheese, and vegetables, while avoiding anything starchy or with sugar.
Yes, vegetables. Mostly tomatoes, green and red peppers, mushrooms, radishes, broccoli, and cauliflower. I eat more vegetables than many other people I know whose diets seem to be based largely on grain products.
glenn
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Re: [Haven for the Human Amoeba] Re: The National Organization of Asexual
laurajaykay said:One thing that might help is if people were to give the geographical location they live in. We'd need to find a neutral area or perhaps have several venues. I would love to meet others like me. I'll start. I live in NY state about an hour from Niagara Falls and 7 hours from NYC.
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. About six hours north of the Canada/US border (the state of Montana is on the other side of the border), almost due north of Salt Lake City. :)
Glenn
I'm in Syracuse, New York. That's about five hours from NYC and about 2 1/2 hours from Buffalo.
Jim Sinclair jisincla@...
laurajaykay said:One thing that might help is if people were to give the geographical location they live in. We'd need to find a neutral area or perhaps have several venues. I would love to meet others like me. I'll start. I live in NY state about an hour from Niagara Falls and 7 hours from NYC.
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. About six hours north of the Canada/US border (the state of Montana is on the other side of the border), almost due north of Salt Lake City. :)
Glenn
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"No qualms whatsoever"
Jim Sinclair said:Right--for one thing, they ate a lot LESS meat than is in the standard North American diet today. They only ate meat if they'd had a successful hunt. That didn't happen every day.
Didn't need to happen every day. One large animal carcass could feed an entire extended family or small tribe for a long time. Meat was a large component of their diet. There is considerable anthropological evidence for this.
Meat is good. I eat large amounts of it. Since I started doing so, I've lost well over 100 pounds, my blood pressure is down, my triglycerides are down, my cholesterol is down... quite the opposite of what you'd expect if your anti-meat propaganda was true, no? :)
How can you be sure that all those benefits are from eating meat, and not from cutting out *other* things (like junk food)?
Before I went low-carb, I tried going on a more traditional low-fat diet, the kind the "experts" say is the best way to lose weight. And that also required cutting out the junk food. In four months, I lost ten whole pounds. Whee. Not only that, but I was miserable as I had to avoid a lot of my favourite foods (beef, bacon, eggs, cheese), and I was hungry a lot of the time (something I'm not while I'm on the high-protein, low-carbohydrate plan).
In any case, my reasons for being vegan have to do with not wanting to be part of inflicting misery and death on animals.
Whereas I have no qualms about that whatsoever. :)
Sure, I acknowledge that I could incorporate meat into my diet, and still have a balanced healthy diet that would be good for me. But it would *not* be good for the animals that would be killed to feed me.
So what? Many animals eat other animals. It's the natural way of things.
by the way, tasty and satisfying--I am a good cook!), I choose the balanced, healthy, good-for-me diet that does not involve killing.
If you're bothered by killing animals, then by all means avoid eating meat. Killing animals doesn't bother me in the slightest, and so I will continue to eat meat. Lots of it. :)
glenn
Jim Sinclair said:
In any case, my reasons for being vegan have to do with not wanting to be part of inflicting misery and death on animals.
Whereas I have no qualms about that whatsoever. :)
And that, I think, says more than all the diet stories and all the web links. :-(
Sure, I acknowledge that I could incorporate meat into my diet, and still have a balanced healthy diet that would be good for me. But it would *not* be good for the animals that would be killed to feed me.
So what? Many animals eat other animals. It's the natural way of things.
It's not the natural way of things for animals to be born into horrific captive circumstances, to spend their entire lives suffering nonstop misery in factory farms, and to be slaughtered wholesale with absolutely no hope of escape. That's something humans have invented.
Also, other animals that eat animals generally eat only as much as they need to survive. (How many obese lions and tigers are running around in the wild?) They hunt and kill by instinct, without insight or awareness that they are taking the life of fellow conscious beings. I, on the other hand, do have that insight and awareness. I know that animals are alive, are conscious, and have a desire to remain that way. I am aware that my behavior has consequences for other lives besides my own. This awareness gives me a choice. I am also capable of surviving and being healthy without eating animals, which gives me another choice that nonhuman predator species do not have. It is my choice to preserve my own health *without* destroying other lives.
What you do is, of course, your own choice. But I would appreciate it if you would stop demeaning mine, by posting inaccurate statements to the effect that vegan diets are unhealthy. Being vegan *is* a viable and healthy option, if you invest a small amount of time in learning how to do it right. Humans, being intelligent and self-aware, have the ability to choose that option, *without* compromising their own health. Just because you have no qualms about killing, doesn't mean there's something wrong with those of us who do.
Jim Sinclair jisincla@...
[Haven for the Human Amoeba] Re: carbohydrates
I think that goes to show that various diets will be successful for certain people. A Vegan diet/lifestyle has worked out for Jim, a low-carb has worked for glenn. Some people need to cut carbs, some calories, some something else. Some can get by losing weight simply due to being active. I can eat anything and never gain or lose... weight gain comes in random spurts once or twice a year.. weight loss is the difficult part.
Sarae Montgomery We're all mad here!
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Jim Sinclair said:I don't think much of this low-carb craze, anyway. Seems to me that cholesterol is a much greater health risk than carbohydrates.
Since the summer of 2002, I've lost nearly 175 pounds by going low-carb. I used to wear a size 56 waist, and was not far away from having to go up to a 58. I'm now size 46 and foresee being able to get into size 44 by Easter. As for cholesterol, when I tipped the scales at 425 pounds my cholesterol was a little high, but not dangerously so -- 5.2 mmol/L (or for those in the USA, 201 mg/DL). Last blood test, in November, 4.1 mmol/L (159 mg/DL); my weight on that doctor's visit was 270. (It's down to 256 as of two weeks ago.) My blood sugar and triglycerides have also gone down. All this by eating lots of meat, eggs, cheese, and vegetables, while avoiding anything starchy or with sugar.
Yes, vegetables. Mostly tomatoes, green and red peppers, mushrooms, radishes, broccoli, and cauliflower. I eat more vegetables than many other people I know whose diets seem to be based largely on grain products.
glenn
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I think that goes to show that various diets will be successful for certain people. A Vegan diet/lifestyle has worked out for Jim, a low-carb has worked for glenn. Some people need to cut carbs, some calories, some something else. Some can get by losing weight simply due to being active. I can eat anything and never gain or lose... weight gain comes in random spurts once or twice a year.. weight loss is the difficult part.
One of my co-workers used to work at a weight-loss clinic. Her view is that different diets work for different people. Different biochemestries, different metabolic issues. The key is to find out which one works best for you. I went low-carb to lose weight, and it worked when nothing else I have tried over the years did. But as with everything else, "Your mileage may vary"...
glenn
Re: "No qualms whatsoever"
On , kilraven62 said:Jim Sinclair said:In any case, my reasons for being vegan have to do with not wanting to be part of inflicting misery and death on animals.
Whereas I have no qualms about that whatsoever. :)
And that, I think, says more than all the diet stories and all the web links. :-(
Sure, I acknowledge that I could incorporate meat into my diet, and still have a balanced healthy diet that would be good for me. But it would *not* be good for the animals that would be killed to feed me.
So what? Many animals eat other animals. It's the natural way of things.
It's not the natural way of things for animals to be born into horrific captive circumstances, to spend their entire lives suffering nonstop misery in factory farms, and to be slaughtered wholesale with absolutely no hope of escape. That's something humans have invented.
Also, other animals that eat animals generally eat only as much as they need to survive. (How many obese lions and tigers are running around in the wild?) They hunt and kill by instinct, without insight or awareness that they are taking the life of fellow conscious beings. I, on the other hand, do have that insight and awareness. I know that animals are alive, are conscious, and have a desire to remain that way. I am aware that my behavior has consequences for other lives besides my own. This awareness gives me a choice. I am also capable of surviving and being healthy without eating animals, which gives me another choice that nonhuman predator species do not have. It is my choice to preserve my own health *without* destroying other lives.
What you do is, of course, your own choice. But I would appreciate it if you would stop demeaning mine, by posting inaccurate statements to the effect that vegan diets are unhealthy. Being vegan *is* a viable and healthy option, if you invest a small amount of time in learning how to do it right. Humans, being intelligent and self-aware, have the ability to choose that option, *without* compromising their own health. Just because you have no qualms about killing, doesn't mean there's something wrong with those of us who do.
Jim Sinclair jisincla@...
It's not the natural way of things for animals to be born into horrific captive circumstances, to spend their entire lives suffering nonstop misery in factory farms, and to be slaughtered wholesale with absolutely no hope of escape. That's something humans have invented.
It's called "efficient management of food supply".
that they are taking the life of fellow conscious beings. I, on the other hand, do have that insight and awareness. I know that animals are alive, are conscious, and have a desire to remain that way. I am aware that my behavior has consequences for other lives besides my own. This awareness gives me a choice.
I am well aware that animals are alive and conscious. On the other hand, they aren't sentient. Whatever it is that separates us from the animals, the animals haven't got it. I'm more concerned with the welfare of my fellow humans than I am with animals. And that includes using animals as foodstock. I have the same choice you do -- and I choose to eat animals.
I am also capable of surviving and being healthy without eating animals, which gives me another choice that nonhuman predator species do not have. It is my choice to preserve my own health *without* destroying other lives.
Yeah, whatever. As I said, the fact that portions of my breakfast were once living creatures does not bother me in the least.
What you do is, of course, your own choice. But I would appreciate it if you would stop demeaning mine, by posting inaccurate statements to the effect that vegan diets are unhealthy.
I will, if you will stop your sanctimonious holier-than-thou preaching about how your refusal to eat meat gives you some kind of moral high ground.
Being vegan *is* a viable and healthy option,
As I've posted before, I disagree with that statement. But whatever floats your boat. But if you're going to go around preaching your vegan gospel, you're going to have to put up with people who disagree with you.
Just because you have no qualms about killing, doesn't mean there's something wrong with those of us who do.
And just because you believe killing is wrong, doesn't mean there's something wrong with those of us who believe otherwise.
In short -- I'll stop if you will. Keep in mind it was you who first attacked my choices in a post (message #2910). The discussion was long since dead until you resurrected it.
glenn
Re: "No qualms whatsoever"
On , kilraven62 said:Jim Sinclair said:In any case, my reasons for being vegan have to do with not wanting to be part of inflicting misery and death on animals.
Whereas I have no qualms about that whatsoever. :)
And that, I think, says more than all the diet stories and all the web links. :-(
Sure, I acknowledge that I could incorporate meat into my diet, and still have a balanced healthy diet that would be good for me. But it would *not* be good for the animals that would be killed to feed me.
So what? Many animals eat other animals. It's the natural way of things.
It's not the natural way of things for animals to be born into horrific captive circumstances, to spend their entire lives suffering nonstop misery in factory farms, and to be slaughtered wholesale with absolutely no hope of escape. That's something humans have invented.
Also, other animals that eat animals generally eat only as much as they need to survive. (How many obese lions and tigers are running around in the wild?) They hunt and kill by instinct, without insight or awareness that they are taking the life of fellow conscious beings. I, on the other hand, do have that insight and awareness. I know that animals are alive, are conscious, and have a desire to remain that way. I am aware that my behavior has consequences for other lives besides my own. This awareness gives me a choice. I am also capable of surviving and being healthy without eating animals, which gives me another choice that nonhuman predator species do not have. It is my choice to preserve my own health *without* destroying other lives.
What you do is, of course, your own choice. But I would appreciate it if you would stop demeaning mine, by posting inaccurate statements to the effect that vegan diets are unhealthy. Being vegan *is* a viable and healthy option, if you invest a small amount of time in learning how to do it right. Humans, being intelligent and self-aware, have the ability to choose that option, *without* compromising their own health. Just because you have no qualms about killing, doesn't mean there's something wrong with those of us who do.
Jim Sinclair jisincla@...
On , kilraven62 said:It's not the natural way of things for animals to be born into horrific captive circumstances, to spend their entire lives suffering nonstop misery in factory farms, and to be slaughtered wholesale with absolutely no hope of escape. That's something humans have invented.
"Every time we buy, cook, carve and eat a dead animal we are commissioning the slaughter of the next live animal. This much is true. We should, however, consider the animal's fate in the wild. Fish, fowl, mammals and insects in their natural state do not die of old age or go peacefully in their sleep with the family around the bedside; they are generally killed and eaten (not necessarily in that order) by other fish, fowl, mammals or insects. We might assume that such deaths are, on average, more frightening and painful than the swift despatch they will experience in the slaughterhouse (I will offer no defence here for the slow ritual killings prescribed by certain religious traditions, which can be cruel in the extreme). For a wild animal, to be killed and eaten is natural; for a farm animal, to be slaughtered by humans might be a privilege.
"As to the quality of life of farm animals, we might compare the relatively stress-free existence of a dairy or beef herd in the field with, say, that of fellow-ruminants the wildebeest browsing the plains of the Serengeti. The former will be well-fed, watered and sheltered from harsh weather; they will also have access to vetinary treatment. The latter will live under constant threat of attack from predators and suffer the hardships of pestilence or drought. The natural death of a wildebeest is invariably savage."
(Source: http://www.vanguardonline.f9.co.uk/00509.htm)
Sorry, but I couldn't let that one go unchallenged.
Re: [Haven for the Human Amoeba] Re: carbohydrates
Sarae Montgomery said:I think that goes to show that various diets will be successful for certain people. A Vegan diet/lifestyle has worked out for Jim, a low-carb has worked for glenn. Some people need to cut carbs, some calories, some something else. Some can get by losing weight simply due to being active. I can eat anything and never gain or lose... weight gain comes in random spurts once or twice a year.. weight loss is the difficult part.
One of my co-workers used to work at a weight-loss clinic. Her view is that different diets work for different people. Different biochemestries, different metabolic issues. The key is to find out which one works best for you. I went low-carb to lose weight, and it worked when nothing else I have tried over the years did. But as with everything else, "Your mileage may vary"...
glenn
One of my co-workers used to work at a weight-loss clinic. Her view is that different diets work for different people. Different biochemestries, different metabolic issues.
I think for me it's my kitchen. I live in a single apt. with a tiny kitchen and the work space is just inadequate. I'm working on a scheme to clear one area so I have room to prepare food comfortably. Once it becomes a pleasure to cook, then I will probably prepare foods that are healthier for me caloriewise, ie. lots of chopped vegetables and stirfries. It's just that right now I really don't have much more than a space 21 in. wide x 12 in. deep to chop, mix, etc. As a result, I am eating too many convenience foods which have starchy or high calorie ingredients that shouldn't even be in my diet.
Therese Shellabarger / The Roving Reporter - Civis Mundi tlshell@... / http://tlshell.cnc.net/
Re: [Haven for the Human Amoeba] "No qualms whatsoever"
On , kilraven62 said:Jim Sinclair said:In any case, my reasons for being vegan have to do with not wanting to be part of inflicting misery and death on animals.
Whereas I have no qualms about that whatsoever. :)
And that, I think, says more than all the diet stories and all the web links. :-(
Sure, I acknowledge that I could incorporate meat into my diet, and still have a balanced healthy diet that would be good for me. But it would *not* be good for the animals that would be killed to feed me.
So what? Many animals eat other animals. It's the natural way of things.
It's not the natural way of things for animals to be born into horrific captive circumstances, to spend their entire lives suffering nonstop misery in factory farms, and to be slaughtered wholesale with absolutely no hope of escape. That's something humans have invented.
Also, other animals that eat animals generally eat only as much as they need to survive. (How many obese lions and tigers are running around in the wild?) They hunt and kill by instinct, without insight or awareness that they are taking the life of fellow conscious beings. I, on the other hand, do have that insight and awareness. I know that animals are alive, are conscious, and have a desire to remain that way. I am aware that my behavior has consequences for other lives besides my own. This awareness gives me a choice. I am also capable of surviving and being healthy without eating animals, which gives me another choice that nonhuman predator species do not have. It is my choice to preserve my own health *without* destroying other lives.
What you do is, of course, your own choice. But I would appreciate it if you would stop demeaning mine, by posting inaccurate statements to the effect that vegan diets are unhealthy. Being vegan *is* a viable and healthy option, if you invest a small amount of time in learning how to do it right. Humans, being intelligent and self-aware, have the ability to choose that option, *without* compromising their own health. Just because you have no qualms about killing, doesn't mean there's something wrong with those of us who do.
Jim Sinclair jisincla@...
Being vegan *is* a viable and healthy option, if you invest a small amount of time in learning how to do it right. Humans, being intelligent and self-aware, have the ability to choose that option, *without* compromising their own health. Just because you have no qualms about killing, doesn't mean there's something wrong with those of us who do.
Exactly. I'm not a vegan myself, but I have a high respect for those who are. It's not an easy choice IMHO, but it's a very highly moral one.
I'm a lacto-ovo vegetarian myself. I realize I'm making some compromises, but for example, I only buy free-range eggs. This is something anyone can do even if they aren't a vegetarian and is one of the small things we can do for a better environment, just like recycling our garbage.
Anyhow, back to our usual stuff. I'm in Los Angeles, CA in the San Fernando Valley area for purposes of the "club."
Therese Shellabarger / The Roving Reporter - Civis Mundi tlshell@... / http://tlshell.cnc.net/
asexual vs desire to pair bond and children
Has anyone here successfully joined the aspects of being asexual with that of the desire to pairbond and to have children? I am 32 a SWM. i am asexual, but do desire to pairbond and to have children. I do love my solitude but am very socialable and likeable. Is it always the case that an asexual must go through life without a partner and the joy of children? Any feedback would be appreciated.
asexual vs desire to pair bond and children
Has anyone here successfully joined the aspects of being asexual with that of the desire to pairbond and to have children? I am 32 a SWM. i am asexual, but do desire to pairbond and to have children. I do love my solitude but am very socialable and likeable. Is it always the case that an asexual must go through life without a partner and the joy of children? Any feedback would be appreciated.
pairbonding and having children
I see no reason why a male and female asexual can't fall in love and marry. They just don't have sex and that is their own business. If they want children they can either adopt or the woman can be artifically inseminated with the mans sperm. Once you have a child to love does it really matter how he or she got to you? I would be very interested in finding someone to pairbond with. I take it that means a male female relationship that is more thna friendship but does not involve sex. I will post another message about that so this one is not too long. I totally understand the desire to have a special someone and to raise a family and still not have a sexual relationship.
anyone in this group 50 or over?
I am 49 and would like to correspond with someone in my age group. Late 40's is fine too. I would like to find someone to "pairbond" with and also to find some people in my age group who understands how I feel. We may also have other similar experiences that have nothing to do with the lack of desire for sex. I live in upstate NY and I cannot move because of my daughter. I am looking for on line friendships as well as a flesh and blood person to spend time with.
Everything old is new again.
Wow, I never knew that I was asexual. I always thought that I was weird or messed up, but after researching asexualty I realize that I am just like everybody else...........not wierd, just individual. I am glad to be a member of this site and look forward to meeting/talking with people online. I hope I hear from anyone who cares to talk. Whew!!!! Thank goodness I am normal.
Asexual = ?
What is Asexuality ? A person that may or may not masturbate and may even fantasize about another person while doing so--*but*--does not want to Actually have sex with anyone ( male/female/another species/ etc). That does not mean however that the Asexual does not desire/want to have a close relationship with someone (male/female/another species/etc ). There are many reasons why a person might be Asexual. Medical problems, lack of desire, religious beliefs, etc.
It can be rather complicated when you consider relationships.
I myself still desire a relationship--someone to share my life with.
Anyone else out there feel the same ? Maybe we could start posting our stats and see what might develop ??
hi, i'm new to the group
i'm a 24-year-old male, a grad student in english living in san francisco. before moving to sf 2 two years ago, i've identified myself as heterosexual. then, living in sf started to wear on me and i began to wonder if i'm bisexual. but my conclusion is that i'm not. and "asexuality" became a better explanation. all this while, i've been writing on "alternative" sexuality and i get pressure from gay people calling me "closeted". i feel more comfortable with bisexuals but i'm not as "highly sexed" as they are as it's often the case or stereotype.
if i were to watch a romantic comedy, i'd prefer "straight" movies than otherwise. but i do enjoy listening to music and read literature by openly "queer" people probably because i identify with their loneliness. i'm attracted to women both physically and emotionally. and i've had straight relationships before. sometimes, i find certain men good-looking or cute but never enough to act upon those feelings in a non-platonic way because i'm just not interested in another penis. transgendered people occasionally intrigue me especially if they're attractive. and i've noticed i like the "androgynous" look of runway models since the first time i looked at my mom's cosmo when i was 7.
i've wondered if my asexuality is just a form of stunted heterosexuality. i had many "firsts" that weren't typical of someone my background and it's just not the case that i can go back to these relationships. (nothing criminal or "deviant"... i just don't know how to describe them righht now.) i also had a celibate phase in my life when i vowed to squash all sexual feelings... how religious of me.
my analogy: if i know i own a million dollars but i can't find it, do i really own the money?
that's my intro. have a good day!
-monk
ps - music i like: cranes, magnetic fields/fbh, johnny hartman, smashing pumpkins, coldplay. books i like: garcia marquez, rilke, strindberg. movies i like: edward scissorhands, the piano, about a boy, matrix, anything with jennifer connelly or john malkovich...
Re: "The Country of Asexual"
Ken, I couldn't agree with you more. I would love this so much.
Jen
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- "Ken" <american_bear_in_spain@...>
We should all pool our money and buy a large island an open a commune for asexuals and live in nature. I saw 145 sq. miles of Brasilian rainforest for sale for like $5mil. We could start our own country! ;)
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Re: hi, i'm new to the group
Hi Monk, Well, I do understand your experience and feelings quite well but I am much older than you. I am almost 48 years old.
I am Asexual and if I were not Asexual I would be Lesbian. You would be straight if you were sexual and that is the only difference.
I have been pressured by both straight and gay groups and both say I have a serious sexual hang up. I suppose if there is someone they cannot roll around in bed with then we are considered to have a sexual dysfunction but this is not always true.
Supportive of you, Jen
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- "marathonmonk" <marathonmonk@...>
i'm a 24-year-old male, a grad student in english living in san francisco. before moving to sf 2 two years ago, i've identified myself as heterosexual. then, living in sf started to wear on me and i began to wonder if i'm bisexual. but my conclusion is that i'm not. and "asexuality" became a better explanation. all this while, i've been writing on "alternative" sexuality and i get pressure from gay people calling me "closeted". i feel more comfortable with bisexuals but i'm not as "highly sexed" as they are as it's often the case or stereotype.
if i were to watch a romantic comedy, i'd prefer "straight" movies than otherwise. but i do enjoy listening to music and read literature by openly "queer" people probably because i identify with their loneliness. i'm attracted to women both physically and emotionally. and i've had straight relationships before. sometimes, i find certain men good-looking or cute but never enough to act upon those feelings in a non-platonic way because i'm just not interested in another penis. transgendered people occasionally intrigue me especially if they're attractive. and i've noticed i like the "androgynous" look of runway models since the first time i looked at my mom's cosmo when i was 7.
i've wondered if my asexuality is just a form of stunted heterosexuality. i had many "firsts" that weren't typical of someone my background and it's just not the case that i can go back to these relationships. (nothing criminal or "deviant"... i just don't know how to describe them righht now.) i also had a celibate phase in my life when i vowed to squash all sexual feelings... how religious of me.
my analogy: if i know i own a million dollars but i can't find it, do i really own the money?
that's my intro. have a good day!
-monk
ps - music i like: cranes, magnetic fields/fbh, johnny hartman, smashing pumpkins, coldplay. books i like: garcia marquez, rilke, strindberg. movies i like: edward scissorhands, the piano, about a boy, matrix, anything with jennifer connelly or john malkovich...
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Re: Everything old is new again.
Tambee, I'm glad you feel comfortable here and know you are just fine. I am going to send you a private email that will give you some other sites you may be interested in .
Jen
Wow, I never knew that I was asexual. I always thought that I was weird or messed up, but after researching asexualty I realize that I am just like everybody else...........not wierd, just individual. I am glad to be a member of this site and look forward to meeting/talking with people online. I hope I hear from anyone who cares to talk. Whew!!!! Thank goodness I am normal.
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Re: anyone in this group 50 or over?
Laura, the impression I get is that you are saying you are not Asexual. Is this correct or am I misunderstanding you?
Jen
I am 49 and would like to correspond with someone in my age group. Late 40's is fine too. I would like to find someone to "pairbond" with and also to find some people in my age group who understands how I feel. We may also have other similar experiences that have nothing to do with the lack of desire for sex. I live in upstate NY and I cannot move because of my daughter. I am looking for on line friendships as well as a flesh and blood person to spend time with.
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Re: pairbonding and having children
Laura, I am in complete agreement with you but I must say since you said you could not move from New York due to your daughter that would count me out. If we were a match and of course I have no idea if this would be true; I cannot move from California due to my folks.
Also, if you cannot move from New York due to your daughter, it sounds like you are restrained to NY due to an Ex spouse. Is this true?
Jen
I see no reason why a male and female asexual can't fall in love and marry. They just don't have sex and that is their own business. If they want children they can either adopt or the woman can be artifically inseminated with the mans sperm. Once you have a child to love does it really matter how he or she got to you? I would be very interested in finding someone to pairbond with. I take it that means a male female relationship that is more thna friendship but does not involve sex. I will post another message about that so this one is not too long. I totally understand the desire to have a special someone and to raise a family and still not have a sexual relationship.
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Re: anyone in this group 50 or over?
I am 49 and would like to correspond with someone in my age group. Late 40's is fine too. I would like to find someone to "pairbond" with and also to find some people in my age group who understands how I feel. We may also have other similar experiences that have nothing to do with the lack of desire for sex. I live in upstate NY and I cannot move because of my daughter. I am looking for on line friendships as well as a flesh and blood person to spend time with.
Hi Laura, Welllllll ..... I'm over 50, but I'm on the opposite edge of the continent in WA. We could share experiences though, via emai. Feel free to contact me off-list.
-Greybird
I am 49 and would like to correspond with someone in my age group. Late 40's is fine too. I would like to find someone to "pairbond" with and also to find some people in my age group who understands how I feel. We may also have other similar experiences that have nothing to do with the lack of desire for sex. I live in upstate NY and I cannot move because of my daughter. I am looking for on line friendships as well as a flesh and blood person to spend time with.