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YES! Good Point. The main thing is whether a person wants sex --- or not. The reasons should not have to be vital to the question. Also, it probably should be pointed out that people can shift from one type to another, depending on age, gender, mood, experiences, in which house is the moon, etc.

I personally like all four categories, because none of them involve any form of sex whatsoever. I think people were distracted by the other things in the article.

No sex, please! I'm asexual

by Leah Hardy

They're out and proud: they don't want to have sex but insist that they're normal. Now more and more people are coming out as asexual. Is this the new era of A-pride?

As a society, we used to be hung up on sex. Sex was a mark of how successful we were as human beings; it defined the way we dressed and how we were portrayed (think of the alpha-female, sexual-predator type of woman in car adverts). But as if to confirm that this chapter is coming to an end, a growing number of people have completely opted out of the sexual arena. There is a small but increasingly vocal minority of men and women who have never wanted to have sex with anyone. Researchers have only recently noticed a previously overlooked nugget in a 1994 survey of Britain’s sexual habits. Of the 8,000 people surveyed, 1% claimed they had never felt sexually attracted to anyone — in the UK as a whole, that amounts to about half a million people. These people are now so open about what they describe as their asexuality, that there is even a website (www.asexuality.org) devoted to them, with a forum in which they cheerfully discuss their lack of desire and their irritation at the view that they must all be sick, lonely or desperate. They include women such as Paula Kripps, who is fit, healthy and in her thirties. “I have a nonexistent sex drive,” she says. “I have no physical or mental illness. I’ve just never been interested in sex. But that doesn’t mean I need a cure or a treatment — as far as I’m concerned, I’m normal.” NI_MPU('middle');But can a nonexistent sex drive be described as totally normal? After all, isn’t sex a biological imperative, like eating? “Sex drive is a very variable thing,” says the psychologist Phillip Hodson. “There are a few utterly normal folk who never want much — if any — sex, and also a few utterly normal folk who want sex 15 times a day. Most of the rest fall somewhere between the two.” However, asexuality doesn’t necessarily mean having no sex drive. The Asexual Visibility and Education Network (Aven) defines asexuals as those who never feel the desire to commit to having sex with others. While some never experience sexual desire at all, others feel aroused from time to time — sometimes to their irritation — but simply don’t want to have sex with other people. This does not mean that they are lifelong loners or virgins. Plenty of asexuals lead “normal” lives, and have relationships, happy marriages and even children. Anne Hooper, an author and sex and marital therapist, describes one such asexual woman she encountered: “She was happily married and was a wonderful mother to her children, but she simply did not have any sexual desire. Even vibrators and sex therapy had no effect.” So what makes someone asexual? The researcher who first noticed the existence of this group of people is Professor Anthony F Bogaert, who specialises in research into sexual behaviour. He discovered factors that make asexuality more likely. He found that the biggest single factor was gender — women are more than twice as likely to be asexual as men. Poor health was another. Asexual women also started puberty later and were more likely to be religious than sexual women. If you’re confused, don’t worry. Even Bogaert could only conclude: “The results suggest that a number of pathways, both biological and psychosocial, contribute to the development of asexuality.” Of course, some asexuals do have a physical or mental illness. There is evidence that schizophrenia and depression can wipe out desire, and sex phobias can also affect libido. One contributor to the website says just hearing people talk about sex makes her physically sick. Sexual-aversion disorder (an intense dislike of sex) is another problem, which can affect people who suffer from panic attacks. Louise Fenton is one of them. “I was asked by a healthcare professional earlier in the year if I had had any sexual experiences or relationships,” she says. “When I answered ‘No’, he looked at me in disbelief and said, ‘What, not even kissing?’ I replied I couldn’t see the attraction of having someone else’s slobber all over my face.” Several members of Aven describe themselves as having Asperger’s syndrome, a mild form of autism. Asperger’s can be associated with sensory problems that make being touched seem intrusive or intolerable. There are various physical causes of asexuality, including illnesses such as multiple sclerosis. According to Hooper, naturally low testosterone levels can also be a cause, particularly in men. In women, however, the picture is more complicated. Hooper says that, even among those with a normal hormone profile, between 8% and 12% find it very difficult, if not impossible, to feel aroused. “Even if they do feel slightly sexual,” she says, “they can’t reach orgasm, so they aren’t very motivated to seek out a sexual relationship. For some of these women, testosterone therapy seems to increase desire, arousal and orgasm, but in others, it has no effect.” Hooper points to research by the Kinsey Institute in America, which suggests that there are specific brain centres that control sex drive: an exciter centre, which permits arousal, and an inhibitor, which keeps it under control. “It may be that for some women, there is more than one inhibitor, or that it may be overactive,” she says. So what can these women do? “There are drugs that seem to work on suppressing the inhibitor centres, allowing the brain to process sexual sensation,” says Hooper. However, few women are ever diagnosed with an overactive inhibitor, let alone given treatment. And as Fiona Henley, a 40-year-old married mother of three, admits, asexuals don’t necessarily want treatment anyway. “I could quite happily live the rest of my life without sex,” she says. “I think there have been millions of marriages like mine through history, but it’s only recently that women have been expected to be wives, mothers, have a great job and be sex goddesses, too.” For now, Henley feels her lack of sex drive is something to keep quiet about.

But that could all be changing. What is different about the new breed of asexuals is that they are proud to say they are indifferent to sex. And by defining asexuality not as a disorder but simply another form of sexuality — alongside heterosexuality and homosexuality — they are stating they are positively glad to be A.

Copyright 2004 Times Newspapers Ltd. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8123-1391523,00.html

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Is it me or is the asexual.org web site down?

You are very right, it is not just you. Let's hope this is a VERY temporary glitch.

Staci

Is it me or is the asexual.org web site down?

We got hacked again, and the lunarpages tech support won't reopen the site until they're done scrubbing it. Should be another hour or two.

-AVENguy

You are very right, it is not just you. Let's hope this is a VERY temporary glitch.

Staci

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Is it me or is the asexual.org web site down?

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Thanks for the comforting update on the AVEN website.

Staci

We got hacked again, and the lunarpages tech support won't reopen the site until they're done scrubbing it. Should be another hour or two.

-AVENguy

Is there a problem with the financing? that's what the message seems to indicate.

The site is still down most of been a really bad hack. Any idea as to who did it and why? Who would be against asexual's or was it against the site administrators?

Is there a problem with the financing? that's what the message seems to indicate.

This is a nice article. Thanks for posting it.

No sex, please! I'm asexual

by Leah Hardy

They're out and proud: they don't want to have sex but insist that they're normal. Now more and more people are coming out as asexual. Is this the new era of A-pride?

As a society, we used to be hung up on sex. Sex was a mark of how successful we were as human beings; it defined the way we dressed and how we were portrayed (think of the alpha-female, sexual- predator type of woman in car adverts). But as if to confirm that this chapter is coming to an end, a growing number of people have completely opted out of the sexual arena. There is a small but increasingly vocal minority of men and women who have never wanted to have sex with anyone. Researchers have only recently noticed a previously overlooked nugget in a 1994 survey of Britain's sexual habits. Of the 8,000 people surveyed, 1% claimed they had never felt sexually attracted to anyone — in the UK as a whole, that amounts to about half a million people. These people are now so open about what they describe as their asexuality, that there is even a website (www.asexuality.org) devoted to them, with a forum in which they cheerfully discuss their lack of desire and their irritation at the view that they must all be sick, lonely or desperate. They include women such as Paula Kripps, who is fit, healthy and in her thirties. "I have a nonexistent sex drive," she says. "I have no physical or mental illness. I've just never been interested in sex. But that doesn't mean I need a cure or a treatment — as far as I'm concerned, I'm normal." NI_MPU('middle');But can a nonexistent sex drive be described as totally normal? After all, isn't sex a biological imperative, like eating? "Sex drive is a very variable thing," says the psychologist Phillip Hodson. "There are a few utterly normal folk who never want much — if any — sex, and also a few utterly normal folk who want sex 15 times a day. Most of the rest fall somewhere between the two." However, asexuality doesn't necessarily mean having no sex drive. The Asexual Visibility and Education Network (Aven) defines asexuals as those who never feel the desire to commit to having sex with others. While some never experience sexual desire at all, others feel aroused from time to time — sometimes to their irritation — but simply don't want to have sex with other people. This does not mean that they are lifelong loners or virgins. Plenty of asexuals lead "normal" lives, and have relationships, happy marriages and even children. Anne Hooper, an author and sex and marital therapist, describes one such asexual woman she encountered: "She was happily married and was a wonderful mother to her children, but she simply did not have any sexual desire. Even vibrators and sex therapy had no effect." So what makes someone asexual? The researcher who first noticed the existence of this group of people is Professor Anthony F Bogaert, who specialises in research into sexual behaviour. He discovered factors that make asexuality more likely. He found that the biggest single factor was gender — women are more than twice as likely to be asexual as men. Poor health was another. Asexual women also started puberty later and were more likely to be religious than sexual women. If you're confused, don't worry. Even Bogaert could only conclude: "The results suggest that a number of pathways, both biological and psychosocial, contribute to the development of asexuality." Of course, some asexuals do have a physical or mental illness. There is evidence that schizophrenia and depression can wipe out desire, and sex phobias can also affect libido. One contributor to the website says just hearing people talk about sex makes her physically sick. Sexual-aversion disorder (an intense dislike of sex) is another problem, which can affect people who suffer from panic attacks. Louise Fenton is one of them. "I was asked by a healthcare professional earlier in the year if I had had any sexual experiences or relationships," she says. "When I answered `No', he looked at me in disbelief and said, `What, not even kissing?' I replied I couldn't see the attraction of having someone else's slobber all over my face." Several members of Aven describe themselves as having Asperger's syndrome, a mild form of autism. Asperger's can be associated with sensory problems that make being touched seem intrusive or intolerable. There are various physical causes of asexuality, including illnesses such as multiple sclerosis. According to Hooper, naturally low testosterone levels can also be a cause, particularly in men. In women, however, the picture is more complicated. Hooper says that, even among those with a normal hormone profile, between 8% and 12% find it very difficult, if not impossible, to feel aroused. "Even if they do feel slightly sexual," she says, "they can't reach orgasm, so they aren't very motivated to seek out a sexual relationship. For some of these women, testosterone therapy seems to increase desire, arousal and orgasm, but in others, it has no effect." Hooper points to research by the Kinsey Institute in America, which suggests that there are specific brain centres that control sex drive: an exciter centre, which permits arousal, and an inhibitor, which keeps it under control. "It may be that for some women, there is more than one inhibitor, or that it may be overactive," she says. So what can these women do? "There are drugs that seem to work on suppressing the inhibitor centres, allowing the brain to process sexual sensation," says Hooper. However, few women are ever diagnosed with an overactive inhibitor, let alone given treatment. And as Fiona Henley, a 40-year-old married mother of three, admits, asexuals don't necessarily want treatment anyway. "I could quite happily live the rest of my life without sex," she says. "I think there have been millions of marriages like mine through history, but it's only recently that women have been expected to be wives, mothers, have a great job and be sex goddesses, too." For now, Henley feels her lack of sex drive is something to keep quiet about.

But that could all be changing. What is different about the new breed of asexuals is that they are proud to say they are indifferent to sex. And by defining asexuality not as a disorder but simply another form of sexuality — alongside heterosexuality and homosexuality — they are stating they are positively glad to be A.

Copyright 2004 Times Newspapers Ltd. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8123-1391523,00.html

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What i was told is the site was hacked and now the cops are investagating and they've shut it down until they're done. Someone (cate i think) set up a backup http://p073.ezboard.com/balternateaven

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Is there a problem with the financing? that's what the message seems to indicate.

Hi Haven, Asexual Lady has sent this link to you from the SSONET website.

Click the link below to visit the website and view the article.

Click here >> http://www.ssonet.com.au/display.asp?ArticleID=3741

Asexual Lady also sent you this message: Nice article.

in addition to the first backup board, http://p073.ezboard.com/balternateaven , there is now another backup AVEN board: http://backupaven.donovansmith.us/index.php

What i was told is the site was hacked and now the cops are investagating and they've shut it down until they're done. Someone (cate i think) set up a backup http://p073.ezboard.com/balternateaven

Good idea to have a backup board.

in addition to the first backup board, http://p073.ezboard.com/balternateaven , there is now another backup AVEN board: http://backupaven.donovansmith.us/index.php

Will Wong said:

What i was told is the site was hacked and now the cops are investagating and they've shut it down until they're done. Someone (cate i think) set up a backup http://p073.ezboard.com/balternateaven

SAF, 48, Northern California likes drives in the country, walks and hikes in the woods, strolls, evenings out, walking in the rain, Christmas lights, being goofy, sometimes tacky language (in setting), intelligent conversation, exercise, different kinds of board games, Bunco, watch TV and watch movies but not at the theater, write poetry at times or just writings of my personal growth, and how I talk to myself inside, performs charitable acts on a regular basis. I love volley ball and softball but it's been years since I played either one. Sometimes I sort of play racquet ball even though I don't know the rules or how to score so I guess it's just keeping the ball in play. I only like to play for fun not hard competition whether I am playing a board game or a sport. Sometimes if I am playing a sport I like to be competitive but not serious. Once people get too serious it's not fun anymore.

I like animal planet, true crime shows, documentaries and TV magazine shows i.e. Dateline, 60 minutes and stuff like that.

I love watching stand up comedy. Rednecks are pretty funny to me.

I value respect, understanding, compassion, stability, honesty, laughter, and kindness. nurturing smiles and hugs kitties, good food and my faith.

I am a Christian with all my faults. NO, this does not mean I get to judge or be judged by others. This is what I believe in and operate from with all the same faults others have. No, I don't think I am better than others because of my faith as some people may assume. I don't preach to people either.

Looking for long-term platonic commitment with someone who is a trustworthy partner to complement each other's personalities, patient, caring, soft spot for private, light physical affection, goofy sense of humor, Seeks easy going, adventurous, intelligent diplomatic, good sense of empathy Good hygiene/attitude a must. decent grammar, non-smoker No drunks, no jerks, no frauds. Lust will be met with violence.

No ditz. Housebroken is a must so don't leave urine around or on the toilet, flush the toilet, put your dirty clothes in the hamper or washer NOT on the floor. I don't like messes or smellies hanging around. I don't do the bar scene, materialism and people who are just too serious to have any kind of fun.

Touching topic or preferences. I love being touched and touching although I have almost none of this in my life mostly because most people are SEXUALS and I don't want to send mixed messages.

As long as I feel safe i.e. if I don't want to be touched it is respected and not tickled or touched where I don't want to be touched and especially NOT sexual in the least.

I love holding hands, sitting close, hugging or holding.

I think affection is different than affucktion.

Oh yeah, I like to lay my head in someone's lap too.

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I am reading Plato's symposium, and i think he is. . .

SOCRATES in the Symposium "And therefore, if you mean to share with me and to exchange beauty for beauty, you will have greatly the advantage of me; you will gain true beauty in return for appearance-like Diomede, gold in exchange for brass. But look again, sweet friend, and see whether you are not deceived in me."

ALCIBADES on SOCRATES in the Symposium "And yet, notwithstanding all, he was so superior to my solicitations, so contemptuous and derisive and disdainful of my beauty-which really, as I fancied, had some attractions-hear, O judges; for judges you shall be of the haughty virtue of Socrates-nothing more happened, but in the morning when I awoke (let all the gods and goddesses be my witnesses) I arose as from the couch of a father or an elder brother."

i would do some lengthy statement trying to verify my claims, but i have finals, and i just wanted to share these interesting quotes.

nik 20/f

Hello, My name is Keith. I am new to the board. I am the founder and US Spokesperson for the Antisexual/Childbirth movement which is slowly but surely gaining noteriety as a radical underground movement. We are against all things sexual and call for an END to all Childbirth. We are concerned about the starving orphan AIDS babies in Africa and the overpopulated world. So many homeless starve and freeze to death. The Homeless in Montreal, QC freeze their butts off. I am and always will be Antisexual. You can read my story at www.theofficialasexualsociety.com under A-stories. I make public speeches about my movement, perform music and performance art related to it. I am looking for people to be active in my Asexual/Antisexual Theatre group that I will be taking on tour this spring, please email me if interested. We welcome all people interested in expressing their asexuality artistically. I would like to say hello to everyone on the board and it's nice to see there is even more of a support network than I'd originally thought. I was under the impression the movement was bigger in Eastern Europe and Russia. Any asexuals/antisexuals from NYC,Montreal QC,Philly, or Phoenix AZ please contact me. I look forward to hearing all of your stories. Thanks!

Well, I want to marry and adopt kids. I wish there was a serious sight for Asexuals for this ordinary way of living without sex.

Jen

Hello, My name is Keith. I am new to the board. I am the founder and US Spokesperson for the Antisexual/Childbirth movement which is slowly but surely gaining noteriety as a radical underground movement. We are against all things sexual and call for an END to all Childbirth. We are concerned about the starving orphan AIDS babies in Africa and the overpopulated world. So many homeless starve and freeze to death. The Homeless in Montreal, QC freeze their butts off. I am and always will be Antisexual. You can read my story at www.theofficialasexualsociety.com under A-stories. I make public speeches about my movement, perform music and performance art related to it. I am looking for people to be active in my Asexual/Antisexual Theatre group that I will be taking on tour this spring, please email me if interested. We welcome all people interested in expressing their asexuality artistically. I would like to say hello to everyone on the board and it's nice to see there is even more of a support network than I'd originally thought. I was under the impression the movement was bigger in Eastern Europe and Russia. Any asexuals/antisexuals from NYC,Montreal QC,Philly, or Phoenix AZ please contact me. I look forward to hearing all of your stories. Thanks!

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Well, I want to marry and adopt kids. I wish there was a serious sight for Asexuals for this ordinary way of living without sex.

Well, I wanna have a friend and be a foster parent to deaf teens. Dunno if it will ever happen though...

Therese Shellabarger / The Roving Reporter - Civis Mundi tlshell@... / http://tlshell.cnc.net/

Any asexuals/antisexuals from NYC,Montreal QC,Philly, or Phoenix AZ please contact me. I look forward to hearing all of your stories. Thanks!

It won't be in my lifetime probably, but when the baby boom generation dies, there'll be more room for everyone else, and a better balance too. Another reason that wars are bad is because they cause ripple effects like lots of babies all at the same time when everyone makes peace.

Therese Shellabarger / The Roving Reporter - Civis Mundi tlshell@... / http://tlshell.cnc.net/

having people not bear children is ridiculous.

nik

Having people not bear children is not only not ridiculous but smart and commpassionate. I am glad to hear that some people on this list are PRO-ADOPTION because that is exactly the point of my movement being Anti-Childbirth. It's say...what about the MILLIONS and MILLIONS of innocent babies and children that are already born with noone to love and take care of them or living in situations where they probably won't live past 5 years old. Ridiculous? Please tell me why. It is common knowledge that the world is grossly overpopulated. How could it be ridiculous? Keith

having people not bear children is ridiculous.

nik

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Hello

I am a 23 year old male from Texas (please no jokes or rants on George Bush I've heard them all) and found out about your group on the AVEN website. I look forward to being an active member in your group and am happy to see that such a yahoo group exists.

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ok I realize that this sounds kind of dumb but I wandering is it possible for asexuals to cheat on one another. In a sexual relationship cheating means having sex with some one else. so would telling each others secrets be cheating in an asexual relationship? Most of the time this is thought of as betrayal but then again that is essentaly what cheating is. I am asexual I just wanted to know just in case someone asked me.

having people not bear children is ridiculous.

??? Sorry for the delay. I'm not sure what you mean. Personally, I think it's ridiculous to have children when there are millions of children who can be adopted, esp. if people didn't insist on adopting only babies. However, I think all adopted children should have the right to their medical history and at age 21, the right to know who their birth parents are and how to contact them.

Therese Shellabarger / The Roving Reporter - Civis Mundi [email protected] / http://tlshell.cnc.net/