Haven for the Human Amoeba

No, it isn't quite like that. you don't have to choose from the choices you are given. Sure, if there are dire consequences to coming out, the person might be more likely to identify as Hetero, but I think the way you state it diminishes the nature of the decision making process. The person involved still makes a choice. and it's not just between choices they are given, every decision decides that persons unique response to a situation. One could think of it like a particle's waveform. the particle might be most likely to be here, but it is possible that it could be literally anywhere else.

I can follow what robin is saying....in my case being male was the "implied threat"...

but I guess that came from meeting too many feminazis (and one was a thousand too many... not that I have anything against REAL feminists... some are quite respectable).

I can follow what robin is saying....in my case being male was the "implied threat"...

but I guess that came from meeting too many feminazis (and one was a thousand too many... not that I have anything against REAL feminists... some are quite respectable).<<

For those of us who don't have the stomach to listen to Rush Limbaugh's rhetoric, could you please tell us the difference between a "feminazi" and a "real" feminist?

Judy

Speaking out of turn, but I think the difference would be this. A feminist wants to be treated as well as men are, while a feminazi wasnt to be treated better than men are. One seeks equal rights regardless of gender, the other seeks to make their gender the superior.

I strongly disagree with the definition you put down, PP. A feminist doesn't want women to gain admittance to the current "male only" power structure, she/he wants to fundamentally CHANGE that power strucutre. This is the debate you see in just about every social movement: do you want to just get the priviledge that white/male/straight/rich people have, or do you want to do you want to change the system that lets that priviledge exist (the difference between "queer" and "gay/lesbain" politics). Whenever you set out to fundamentally change a structure that is giving a group of people (in this case men) power you are going to piss them off. So a feminazi can be defined as an effective feminist.

-BRC

Feminist wishing he could be a feminazi

Hey - I just wanted to clarify with the moderator, drksparkl, what the rules for this club were, as far as snarl terms that are used just as insults, i.e. feminazi, the "c" word for women, the "n" word for blacks etc. Specifically what is the policy going to be against trolls who are here just to flame that way.

Thanks

Sylvia Walby summarized the three main groups of feminists in 1972 (I think it was '72), they are liberal feminist, marxist feminist, and radical feminist.

Changing the power structure of patriarchy from the root, and attacking patriarchy as the fundamental instrument of oppression in society is radical, that's what you're describing, redcommie. Marxist feminism basically cites the economics as the fundamental mean of oppression, the capitalist system, imperialism etc. Liberal feminism basically says that if you give women equally by law, that women have equality, i.e., if the ERA were passed women would somehow magically have equality. I don't buy that because anti-discrimination laws don't attack male violence in the form of domestic abuse, rape etc. which are the basis of patriarchy (as radical feminists point out). This is why radical feminists coined the term "the personal is the political", meaning you can have these guys like Clinton who talk as if they favor women's rights in the public, but it comes to their private life, the continue to abuse women and encourage and maintain the status quo, patriarchy.

It takes one hell of a lot to offend me, so I'm rarely quick to enforce any type of rule.

For the record, I'm a radical feminist. I don't like the term "feminazi", but I don't find the word particularly offensive. To me, a nazi (in the general sense)is someone who attempts to control something she or he has no right to control. Nazis control just for the sake of controlling. This is not what feminism is about. Not even radical feminism is ultimately about control for domination.

Women, of course, have every right in the world to control their own destinies, so "nazi-ism" isn't even part of the equation.

As long as there is no pure hate speech or militant ignorance. I also don't like message board arguing. That's annoying.

Ok, I'm going to be really bitchy, but I'm pissed off right now and I feel the need to do some sharing.

drksparkle: Hey, you were supposed to quit your self-pity trip.

eiji001: huh??

drksparkle: Well, weren't you?

eiji001: what are you talking about???? Reference please.

drksparkle: Oh, your billionth feminazi reference.

eiji001: ah....

eiji001: well it's the truth though

drksparkle: I'm not offended, I just find it tiresome.

drksparkle: It is not the truth! It's only the truth in your head.

drksparkle: And you just talk so you can hear yourself talking about it, hoping, wishing that someone somewhere will agree with you...but that won't happen because you're wrong.

drksparkle: Even if it IS true...we don't need to hear about it every time you talk. You don't even want to improve yourself, you just want to whine.

eiji001: I DO want some improvement.... though I'm in the dark as to where to start.... too many choices, need to narrow it down

drksparkle: Like hell, you want improvement.

eiji001: HEY.... Know this, I have a less-than-zero tolerance policy when it comes to lying... you'd have to shoot me first if you want me to lie

drksparkle: Then admit that you do nothing but whine about stuff that only happens in your weird little imagination.

drksparkle: If you took your blinders off, you'd realize what you're doing. It may very well be entirely sub-conscious. Fine. Just let logic take a bit more control.

eiji001: fine... now what? Where do I go from here? Quite frankly I've still had enough of all this sexuality stuff... it borders on the obscene

eiji001: Logic is my life.... my therapist says I need some emotions now.

drksparkle: What do you mean, now what? It's not my job to socially condition you.

drksparkle: Logic? Feh!

drksparkle: You are anti-logic!

drksparkle: You are an insult to logic!

eiji001: I resent that.

drksparkle: If you were logical you'd have a much better grasp.

eiji001: I'm anti-emotion

eiji001: they only got in the way

drksparkle: What?! Then what's with the whining? Logical people don't whine!

drksparkle: You don't meet too many hypersensitive, whiny biochemists!

eiji001: this defies either system

drksparkle: Well, it defies logic, yeah.

eiji001: and my discipline is Web Design... Biology turned my stomach inside out since it was ALWAYS before lunch

drksparkle: That's hardly my point!

eiji001: I'm just saying I'm not a biochemist.

drksparkle: There are a billion logical professions. I just picked one.

eiji001: okay....

drksparkle: I don't care what you are. My point is that you're illogical.

drksparkle: I didn't think you were a biochemist.

eiji001: such a cruel irony.... my greatest childhood idol was Mr. Spock

drksparkle: Ha ha. Fine, whatever. You're still whiny. And repetitive and whiny.

drksparkle: We all know your issues with women, you've admitted them. You keep saying them (I assume) so that someone will see a speck of truth that isn't there.

eiji001: and what if all I do is shut up?? I don't think that will bring any profit

drksparkle: No profit, but less annoyance.

drksparkle: I'm not telling you to shut up. I'm telling you to say something interesting.

eiji001: sorry if I'm like that.....

eiji001: but I doubt I have anything that fits the group

drksparkle: Every time you say anything it has something to do with all the bad women you've met.

eiji001: I doubt anime fits in with what your group discusses

drksparkle: No, it doesn't. Hopefully that isn't all you have to talk about.

drksparkle: Bad women and anime. You're screwed.

eiji001: well that and wargaming

eiji001: I had to have something to fill in being excluded from society at large

drksparkle: Ok, that's like 90% of your problem right there.

eiji001: well.... I don't go to clubs since I don't dance

drksparkle: Oh shut the hell up. There you go with your self-pity crap. "Oh, woe is me, the whole world rejects me for no apparent reason, so I will whine about it and drive everyone away"

drksparkle: Who cares about clubs? If you don't like 'em, you don't like 'em. Fine.

eiji001: I didn't say I don't like them... I don't go cause I don't dance... I mean... what's the point?

drksparkle: Then dance, dammit!

drksparkle: That's the lamest excuse I've heard.

drksparkle: I go to clubs sometimes. That doesn't mean I'm a goddamn ballerina.

eiji001: give me some credit.. it's the only one I've got.

eiji001: I'm no Fred Astere either..

eiji001: and I don't want to be

drksparkle: Newsflash: No one who goes to clubs is.

eiji001: I'

drksparkle: Well, maybe a few people. I can only think of one or two occassions I've gone to a club and seen someone dance as if they took lessons.

eiji001: I've gone a few times... but there's no point in making a fool of yourself...

drksparkle: Everyone makes a fool of himself!

drksparkle: That's the whole point!

eiji001: This is one fool who won't play the fool.

drksparkle: Oh cut your crap. If you don't like it, fine. Don't make really bad excuses.

drksparkle: Do you not understand what I mean by self-pity?

drksparkle: I swear, you're making me want to bang my head into a wall.

eiji001: at least it's just me...

drksparkle: What does that mean?

eiji001: I've lost track of how many would like to see me that way

drksparkle: What way?

eiji001: about ten years ago.

drksparkle: Quit it!

drksparkle: Stop right now!

drksparkle: AAAAAAAAGH!

drksparkle: Whine whine whine whine whine. I triple dog DARE YOU to say 10 words that aren't whiny. HA!

eiji001: alright... you can talk for a while... I'll just do nothing but listen

eiji001: fair enough?

drksparkle: I've already said all I have to say to you. And I've said it many times and it's not sinking in.

drksparkle: And I'm being perfectly clear, you just won't quit whining.

drksparkle: And yeah, I'm incensed, but can you blame me? If I spewed half of the stuff you spewed, you'd have told me off a long time ago.

eiji001: to be honest... I would have blocked you.

drksparkle: Exactly my point.

eiji001: and if you want me to quit the group that's fine

drksparkle: I have the power to kick you out myself. I don't mind your presence, just quit your crap.

drksparkle: Do you know what I'm talking about?

drksparkle: Honestly, do you realize when you're being like that?

eiji001: for once, I'm not all that sure.

drksparkle: For once, my ass. See, there you go saying something obnoxious.

eiji001: I've been told that I have an abrasive personality (much as I hate it).

drksparkle: Yeah, you do.

eiji001: I meant I wasn't all that sure of things... and it was for the first time.... I've lived always staying on top of things... it's how I got things done.

Wow. I'm evil. Annoyed, but still evil.

drksparkle: I swear, you've raised my diastolic probably 20 points.

eiji001: i take it that's bad.... you got diabetes?

eiji001: I have a friend who does.

drksparkle: Nah, that's just me being a smartass.

drksparkle: But I have tinnitus and I hear my pulse all the time. It's going pretty quickly.

eiji001: not fun I'm sure..

drksparkle: Well, I've had it for 11 years. I'm pretty used to it.

eiji001: I don't think I'd get used to it... but then I have yet to like being a guy. (at least for reasons that aren't part of some pathetic porno script)

drksparkle: Ok, there we go again.

eiji001: and I'd rather have a higher standard than that

eiji001: something that's NOT fiction

drksparkle: Dammit, you need aversion shock therapy or something to hurt you every time you say something obnoxious.

eiji001: what's so obnoxious about wanting a meaning for maleness??? You'd want that too if your gender had been downplayed.... sure my dad offered help, but in his day the feminists weren't even an idea... quite frankly, he isn't of much help

eiji001: and although the feminists had good intentions... they seem to have gummed up a lot of things by accident...

drksparkle: It's obnoxious if you change the subject so that you can bitch about your maleness, which isn't even a problem. It's obnoxious when you start bitching about being "downplayed" in a patriarchal society. It's obnoxious when you blame feminists, a HUGE group of women, for all of your problems. That's what's obnoxious.

eiji001: it's not patriarchial here.... and I can PERSONALLY attest to that.... my dad has NO POWER in his household.

drksparkle: I'm not talking about your damn house, I'm talking about the planet. You know, you go outside and there's a WORLD out there.

drksparkle: I don't care about your house. I don't even care about my house. I'm talking about the whole planet.

eiji001: it's not a very friendly one.

drksparkle: You can't take a situation in your vicinity and then apply it to everyone else. Things don't work that way.

eiji001: that's mainly why I"ve stayed away

eiji001: I wish the bullies in my so-called youth knew that...

drksparkle: What? You don't know a damn thing about the world. Nothing! How do you know what you've stayed away from?

eiji001: they blamed me for all their problems

drksparkle: See, I'm talking on a global scale and you keep whining about childhood, your dad, whatever. This has nothing to do with any of that. AAAAAAAAAGH.

eiji001: alright... let's shift back to second gear......

drksparkle: If your job sucks, you quit. If you hate your town, you leave. It's not difficult.

eiji001: so to speak

drksparkle: If you're not happy, change. That's my point.

drksparkle: And don't even THINK of saying "How?"

drksparkle: Or "I can't". Because I don't want to hear it.

drksparkle: If you say either of those, then you are exactly what I say you are.

eiji001: the question on my mind is "to what?"... but I won't ask you

drksparkle: Hell, if you THINK either of those statements, you're exactly what I say you are.

drksparkle: "to what?" is the same as "how?" in this context.

drksparkle: I shouldn't have to answer that.

drksparkle: You shouldn't have to ask.

drksparkle: See, this is where logic would come in handy.

eiji001: you don't have to.... I said I wasn't going to ask you.

drksparkle: Well, you're still clueless. In one ear, out the other, I take it.

I can't be bothered putting up the rest. I didn't get any nicer throughout the course of the conversation. The end of it was that he left. He quit by himself while I was in the process of booting him out. I doubt that we've heard the last of him, though. Perhaps he'll read the post and realize what I was talking about, and what many of us here have talked to him about. But...I doubt it.I'm a silly girl and I tend to keep IMs that I find utterly inane i.e. entertaining. I don't usually post them, though. I wasn't kidding about my diastolic. If I have a stroke, it's Eiji's fault.

I hope everyone had a lovely Halloween.

Wait a second, are you saying that you booted eiji out of the club or just out of the IM conversation that you were having? Okay, I know it's your club and you can do whatever the heck you want to do with it, but having myself been the "victim" of a club booting because I dared not to hug and kiss every member in the group, I cannot agree with such a move.

Eiji is annoying, irrational, self-righteous and self-pitying. If this behavior upsets you then ignore him. I find him amusing in the extreme, and when I bounce questions off of him it's not because I expect him to give me a good answer, but because I know that other club members will. He's just one of the quirky characters that I believe make clubs really interesting.

Why, pray tell, did you get involved in an extended conversation with an annoying stranger? He annoys you and still you engage him. Who is at fault here: the person who is acting entirely as expected, or the person who is rational and allows herself to be riled by stupidity?

And why publicize a private message? I've had that done to me too and it only showed what a dickless wonder the person who posted my message was (that was not a personal indictment). Your IM conversation revealed nothing about eiji that we all didn't already know. It only showed how worked up he managed to get you. So who's the winner here? Frankly, I think eiji is leading this game 10-0. He's as whiney and irrational as ever he was, but he's now personally responsible for at least one case of new onset hypertension.

Judy

Brc, I didn't mean that Feminist want to be the equal of men- because that implies that men were ever superior. I beleive that the desire is for all genders to be treated equally. I apologize if my wording was misleading. A feminazi, to me, is one who wishes to establish women as a superior gender. However true that may be, it is no better a stance than men being superior.

Eiji, if you check back with the posts, I'd like to say that, while much of what drksparkle saud was true, you weren't in the wrong for asking what to do to improve. My suggestion is that you Form a image of what you want to Idealy be. Fi none of this crap you complain about had ever happened, what would you be like. then try to look at yourself objectively, to see what you have to do to acheive this ideal self. It helps to have someone to talk to about it with. but the key thing is that you remember that, whatever happens to you, your reaction to it is your responsibility.

Drksparkle: while much of what you said about eiji was correct, you didn't seem to be much better there. He realizes, so some extent, that he's an ass, and he wants some help. True, blaming his problems on other things isn;t helping, but niether does simply telling him to shut up. your behavior here was on par with eiji in most respects. I hope after analyzing it yourself you come to the same conclusion.

Perhaps I should have given more background info. Eiji and I have had the same conversation probably 10 times before (that may be an exaggeration, but I assure you that the number is 5 at least).

In each of those conversations, he has asked the same questions. In each of those conversations, I have tried to help him. Really. I have told him to find common interests with people, not to assume that all women are out to get him. I felt that was his biggest problem. He appeared to imagine "looks of hatred" on sight. I'm not the most socially adept person out there - I have a few friends, but there have been times in my life when I've felt that people didn't like me when really all it was was my own insecurities. If you stop and think about what you're doing and try to rationalize it (in my case, I couldn't. In Eiji's, he couldn't either.) then you try to break yourself of that habit the ways you break yourself of any other habit. You just try and quit. You talk to people about it, but you have to listen as well. Even if it scares you.

Eiji was using me as some sort of sponge to absorb his whining. He wouldn't consider changing. That's why I gave him hell for asking "to what?" Obviously, if he's unhappy, and he wants to change, the answer to his question would be "change to whatever would you happy". Not exactly brain surgery. That's all I was getting at. If you don't know what would make you happy, you've got no use whining. People who have never seen a television will never complain about not having one. If I don't know what good food tastes like, I won't complain when bad-tasting food is put in front of me. My point is that if you don't know what you want, how do you know that you don't want what you have? Even if your fantasy appears intangible, like being a rock star, go for it. Everyone's got something. He would only say he would try to change, just so that -someone- would listen to him whining.

I was telling him to shut up because I'd heard the same stories many, many times, and he was using them as a barrier. So, with that, I say that NO, I have not come to the same conclusion with you. I am right. Not necessarily nice, but right all the same. Note- I really am nice, I'm one of the nicer people I know. But...I have a very low tolerance for idiocy.

Drksparkle, motivational speaker extrordinaire

The reason I initiated the conversation with him was because he was bugging the hell out of certain people in the club. Actually, he doesn't annoy me unless I'm IMing him directly. I didn't want to kick him out of the club until he started talking about the "crime" of being male, and how it wasn't his fault that he was "guilty" of this crime, and...well, you know the story. I didn't kick him out. He left by himself. I actually did go to kick him out, but he was already out.

During one of our previous conversations, he asked me if I thought he should leave the club and I said no. The reason he asked me this is because he felt that he was using the club in a self-destructive manner. I agreed that was probably true, but there are ways to fix that.

I publicized the message because I wanted to show that I had tried to deal with him ( I didn't do a good job of that because I didn't acknowledge that the conversation we had was an encore presentation of many others). I also wanted to show what I was up against. I couldn't paraphrase it. Anyway, he's told the whole club the same things (if you're online at the same time as he is), so I didn't feel it was particularly humiliating. If I told everyone I met about everything in my personal life, I wouldn't get upset if they told someone who already knew. Out of all the conversations I had with him, I've only "told him off" once before, and not to that extent.

Ok, I admit that I have a problem with walking away from altercations. It doesn't happen often, but if someone doesn't "get" what I'm talking about, I'm likely to stick around until they do. I just don't get tired of arguing by the time most people do. It's a constant struggle with online idiots, specifically the ones who are too stupid to realize quite how dumb they are.

I don't expect members of any club to act like a big, happy family all the time. That would be ridiculous. But he was coming in spewing crap that didn't make sense, and he was bothering people. He was using us all to perpetuate his insecurities, and he's better off without us. I suppose now, that he'll find someone else to use, emotional leeches always do.

Ok, I admit that I have a problem with walking away from altercations. It doesn't happen often, but if someone doesn't "get" what I'm talking about, I'm likely to stick around until they do. I just don't get tired of arguing by the time most people do. It's a constant struggle with online idiots, specifically the ones who are too stupid to realize quite how dumb they are.<<

Some people will never get what you're saying. That's why it's best to just walk away sometimes. I cannot believe that you had five such conversations with eiji. Why? The last time I got into a discussion with an emotionally needy idiot, I was the one who ended up looking like a fool when it became blatantly obvious that I was not dealing with a rational human being, and when he showed that he had absolutely no interest in anything that I had to say to him.

>>I don't expect members of any club to act like a big, happy family all the time. That would be ridiculous. But he was coming in spewing crap that didn't make sense, and he was bothering people. He was using us all to perpetuate his insecurities, and he's better off without us. I suppose now, that he'll find someone else to use, emotional leeches always do.<<

You see, I object to this notion that people have a right not to be bothered by annoying people. This world is no utopia of guarded sensibilities. Eiji's chauvinistic absurdity can only bother you if you allow it to. I thought that he was an amusing diversion. I actually looked forward to reading his misguided rantings; they were a sort of comic relief.

Judy

<<Some people will never get what you're saying. That's why it's best to just walk away sometimes. I cannot believe that you had five such conversations with eiji. Why? >>

Because I have sympathy for such people. I really did try to help. Not last night, though. My main point last night was to find out why he was going through the self-pity routine again after he decided to stop. He asked for help, continuously. He even asked me for dating tips. I told him what I knew (which isn't much) and he acted like he already knew it. I'm not quite brassy enough to tell someone I'm not interested in talking to them (at least at first). I'm more likely to smile and be polite and avoid them until they grind my nerves too much. I'm perfectly calm until I reach my limit.In online situations, I'm a bit more blunt, and even then I'm a bit evasive about it (sarcastic remarks, general cynicism) As you stated yourself, some people will never get it. I'm only REALLY blunt with the guys who start conversations with "A/S/L/pic?".

In drks defence, she has been putting up with eiji for a month now at least. I know because a few of us used to have chat sessions and IMs and he was invited for a while. Then he started "stalking" a few of us on pager and drk did take over talking to him just as she said to help us and him out (Wow drk I thought you gave up on him a while back!).

Yes Judy his post were comic relief the first hundred times but then they just got annoying especially to those who had to deal with him in IM and e-mail. I can't say that I totally agree with posting a private IM but hey, she said she was pissed when she did it. At any rate, I am not trying to start a big arguement over Eiji but I can see both sides of the coin on this.

--GT

I'm petty. Yes, I'm petty when I'm annoyed to that degree. We all have our flaws, probably my biggest one is being petty. I tend to reflect juvenile behavior when it is thrust in my direction. I don't even get petty with moderate juvenile behavior. It really takes a LOT. And FYI, I DID chase him away almost 2 months ago, during the one time I mentioned when I sort of told him off. I was nice to him at first, but then I just couldn't deal with him. He stopped "stalking" me for a while, but started again after I posted an apparently accurate "psychoanalysis" of him (yes, he agreed that it was accurate). I also felt guilty about posting that, but I didn't want to start a one-on-one conversation with him at that time, and I can't always keep my mouth shut...or my fingers from typing. I can't get my Yahoo messenger to work correctly in terms of ignoring people. I reinstalled it, but I can't ignore anyone who I didn't ignore a long time ago. He's not a BAD person. I knew I was being petty and evil when I did it. I'm not sorry. I don't accept nor give apologies. And hell, I'm still annoyed. I probably would have behaved differently had it not already been a stressful day or something, but that's beside the point. Judy said that that we shouldn't be exempt from dealing with annoying people. I really do agree with this. I put up with annoying people all the time, and surely there are quite a few people who I annoy. But yeesh...most people aren't THAT annoying! I have this bad habit of giving straightforward, descriptive mental nicknames to offline people I know only well enough to know that I don't like them. They range from "the annoying Texan" to "pretentious girl" to "frighteningly nice guy" or even "gay guy who sleeps with half the planet". In all honesty, I've only had 3 or 4 nicknames with the term "annoying" in them, and these were all people I saw on almost a daily basis. I wouldn't hang out with them, I'd just tolerate them. Now, if they followed me around doing their individual annoying things, that would be different. If these people never did or said anything that wasn't annoying, I'd have more of a problem. Usually, people we find annoying will have occasional poignant moments. Some sort of redeeming quality. Usually.

The main thing I noticed from day one, was that ej had to constantly have the conversation be all about him, instead of the club subject which is asexuality. Perhaps he should start a club called AllAboutMeAllTheTime and then yall who are interested in his self obsession could join him. :) I mean, there is a reason for clubs. The reason is to some degree for moderation & so that the moderator can help people keep the club from being 100% spam or 100% troll. I don't like the fact that drk would allow snarl terms, but I respect that 'cause she's the moderator & if I don't like it, I can delete myself. Really, there are countless amount of bandwidth out there for flamebaiting if you want it- it's BORing. There are very few spaces out there for asexual chat.

The main thing I noticed from day one, was that ej had to constantly have the conversation be all about him, instead of the club subject which is asexuality. Perhaps he should start a club called AllAboutMeAllTheTime and then yall who are interested in his self obsession could join him. :) I mean, there is a reason for clubs. The reason is to some degree for moderation & so that the moderator can help people keep the club from being 100% spam or 100% troll. I don't like the fact that drk would allow snarl terms, but I respect that 'cause she's the moderator & if I don't like it, I can delete myself. Really, there are countless amount of bandwidth out there for flamebaiting if you want it- it's BORing. There are very few spaces out there for asexual chat.<<

Okay, this is my last message on the subject of the infamous eiji. I would be more inclined to dismiss this man if it were the case that he was somehow seriously impeding the flow of dicussion in the club. However, I don't see this at all. What I do see is several people getting very worked up over a person who aims to provoke others. Then those very people are annoyed that they've fell right into the trap that was laid for them. Eiji enjoys self-pity and those who nurse this condition can expect him to stick on to them like a leech. He e-mailed me once, I told him that I had no solution to his problems(real or imagined) and that was the end of that. Why others can't do the same baffles me. Nevertheless, he seems to be gone and everyone here can revel in his departure I suppose.

Judy

The reason we didn't dismiss him like that is that most of us actually thought we had some solution to his problem. Silly us, really, but we all get to have our delusions from time to time. After a bit, though, I think most of us realized that there is no solution that doesn't involve him simply stopping. And since he doesn't seem to want to do that, I can only hope he doesn;t fall into the same trap next time around.

I sometimes do these quizes as a form of entertainment. Mostly to see how clever they are. Most of them are completely sexual centric, but as I was taking this one, I noticed the questions and answers were actually clever. For the most part, you had a way out of any of them. "I prefer my partner to be: " Intelligent/Attractive/Good in bed. Well, intelligent would be the obvious choice for me, and technically the partner part could become non-sexual at that point.

Well, imagine my surprise when I got to the end of the test and it said: "We think you are an Asexual!"

So here is the link, to the first "Sexual Orientation" quiz that I have ever seen that acknowledges asexuality:

<a href=http://www.burlyadventurer.com/quiz/index.tcl?gay target=new>http://www.burlyadventurer.com/quiz/index.tcl?gay</a>