Hi. Any scientific info?
'ello amoebae,
I would like to know if anyone has come across any scientific information (I'm sure there have been no conclusive genetic theories on the subject, and from what I currently know, evidence of a gene that results in homosexuality has not been found) about asexuality. While I'm sure many will say it's psychologically-driven, I would think there is some biochemical basis altering some hormone pathway (at least for the lucky ones who don't have sexual attraction). However, I'm assuming that there are so few asexuals in the world that no serious investigation has been undertaken. Any help is appreciated.
TTFN, TM3
Re: Pre-Judgements
1) If someone feels a crush for a certain gender, it means that one is tending towards the opposite gender himself
??? I don't understand what this means. If I am male and crush on males, then I am tending towards females (the opposite gender)?
2) If one feels anything other than indifference towards the sex act, then one must have some sort of trauma towards sex
Disagree. I've never smoked pot and don't have the desire to smoke pot, but from what I know about it allows me to form an opinion that is neither indifferent nor resultant from a traumatic experience. I think the analogy can be extended to many other acts.
3) Asexuality can exist with a sex drive as long as there's no sexual object (like having a car and not having a road)
Disagree, but this may deal with the semantics of the definition. If you have a sex drive, then you are inherently hetero/homosexual, and there are other factors which prevent you from expressing this trait (i.e. the law).
4) Asexuality can exist with a sexual object as long as there's no sex drive (like having a road and not having a car)
I thought I understood the previous analogy, but now I'm not sure. I'll tentatively agree. (no sex drive = asexual)
5) People who declare themselves as asexual but have crushes are actually people with a sexual object and no sex drive
Disagree. You (I) can develop non-sexual crushes on people, and so it's wrong to describe the crushees as sexual objects and wrong to say that the crushers aren't really asexual.
6) People who declare themselves as asexual but masturbate are actually people with a sex drive and no sexual object
Agree.
Re: Hi. Any scientific info?
'ello amoebae,
I would like to know if anyone has come across any scientific information (I'm sure there have been no conclusive genetic theories on the subject, and from what I currently know, evidence of a gene that results in homosexuality has not been found) about asexuality. While I'm sure many will say it's psychologically-driven, I would think there is some biochemical basis altering some hormone pathway (at least for the lucky ones who don't have sexual attraction). However, I'm assuming that there are so few asexuals in the world that no serious investigation has been undertaken. Any help is appreciated.
TTFN, TM3
I think that the maxim "if your parents didn't have sex, then you won't have sex either" is about as progressive as theorists have come to understanding asexuality. ;)
In regards to homosexuality: I think I posted this 20 years ago or something, but if you want to read about one theory on homosexuality and genetics, there was an interesting article in the March 1994 issue of Discover magazine.
Here's the synopsis: There's a cell cluster in the hypothalamus called INAH3. Typically, straight men have big INAH3's whilst gay men's are a bit smaller. Women's and gay men's cell clusters are roughly the same size, and it's believed to be a genetic cause for homosexuality. There are of course people who mask their true sexuality (assuming there is such a thing) for one reason or another, but still, this discovery was quite a step towards understanding homosexuality.
The theory is accepted by many scientists, but not widely discussed or heard of for probably obvious reasons. Doing an internet search on INAH3 will give you more information. That 1994 article is the most recent information I have on the subject, and it doesn't really "prove" much, it merely suggests a lot.
-Drk-
'ello amoebae,
I would like to know if anyone has come across any scientific information (I'm sure there have been no conclusive genetic theories on the subject, and from what I currently know, evidence of a gene that results in homosexuality has not been found) about asexuality. While I'm sure many will say it's psychologically-driven, I would think there is some biochemical basis altering some hormone pathway (at least for the lucky ones who don't have sexual attraction). However, I'm assuming that there are so few asexuals in the world that no serious investigation has been undertaken. Any help is appreciated.
TTFN, TM3
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I need some help
I am a 54-yr-old woman. I have never been interested in sex with men or women. I lost my identical twin kay last June. We were both asexual and I feel so isolated. I come from a family of people who "can't keep it in their pants" and I am the odd-person- out. I am so damned lonely! Chris Twin to Kay.
[Haven for the Human Amoeba] Re: Pre-Judgements
Excuse me: are you Mike, that homosexual?
Sorry mate, I am not. Although one of the last online tests I took predicted I was more homosexual than heterosexual, whatever that means.
It means: if you have a crush on masculine human beings then this masculinity is either missing in you or you idealize it for yourself.
Ok, I understand what you mean by that pre-judgement now, thanks
4) Asexuality can exist with a sexual object as long as there's no sex drive (like having a road and not having a car)
I thought I understood the previous analogy, but now I'm not sure. I'll tentatively agree. (no sex drive = asexual)
Of course you would respond this, of course... (presuming you are that homo)
Really, that is the "general homosexual" response??
TM3
Re: Are you mike, the homo?
I am not, but I feel inclined to respond to this:
For a feminine person, being asexual means: _not_having_crushes_. Period.
So, for a homosexual male or female, that person is asexual if they do not have crushes, but they can still have sexual contact?
For a masculine person, being asexual means: no will to have sex.
And for a homosexual female or male, that person is asexual if they have no will to have sex, but have it nevertheless because they may have some purely physical drive (as in your example)?
I'm not assuming everything is black-and-white: you won't find people 100% inclined to one or another; so, one must know himself to know what being asexual means for /him/ and not just making statements about himself based on a criteria that would never apply to him.
It's hard for me to define someone who has sex as an asexual, regardless if it is only for physical need as in your example, but I'm not here to argue so much, just learn a little.
TM3
Re: Hi. Any scientific info?
I think that the maxim "if your parents didn't have sex, then you won't have sex either" is about as progressive as theorists have come to understanding asexuality. ;)
In regards to homosexuality: I think I posted this 20 years ago or something, but if you want to read about one theory on homosexuality and genetics, there was an interesting article in the March 1994 issue of Discover magazine.
Here's the synopsis: There's a cell cluster in the hypothalamus called INAH3. Typically, straight men have big INAH3's whilst gay men's are a bit smaller. Women's and gay men's cell clusters are roughly the same size, and it's believed to be a genetic cause for homosexuality. There are of course people who mask their true sexuality (assuming there is such a thing) for one reason or another, but still, this discovery was quite a step towards understanding homosexuality.
The theory is accepted by many scientists, but not widely discussed or heard of for probably obvious reasons. Doing an internet search on INAH3 will give you more information. That 1994 article is the most recent information I have on the subject, and it doesn't really "prove" much, it merely suggests a lot.
-Drk-
Mike said:'ello amoebae,
I would like to know if anyone has come across any scientific information (I'm sure there have been no conclusive genetic theories on the subject, and from what I currently know, evidence of a gene that results in homosexuality has not been found) about asexuality. While I'm sure many will say it's psychologically-driven, I would think there is some biochemical basis altering some hormone pathway (at least for the lucky ones who don't have sexual attraction). However, I'm assuming that there are so few asexuals in the world that no serious investigation has been undertaken. Any help is appreciated.
TTFN, TM3
I remember that article, and that was the article to suggest that homosexuality was genetically inherited. This should have led to the identification of the gene that might cause homosexuality (either in the presence/absence or in the level of expression), but that obviously hasn't occurred. The level of clustering could be more developmental-based than genetic-based however. Thanks for your help.
In regards to homosexuality: I think I posted this 20 years ago or something, but if you want to read about one theory on homosexuality and genetics, there was an interesting article in the March 1994 issue of Discover magazine.
Here's the synopsis: There's a cell cluster in the hypothalamus called INAH3. Typically, straight men have big INAH3's whilst gay men's are a bit smaller. Women's and gay men's cell clusters are roughly the same size, and it's believed to be a genetic cause for homosexuality. There are of course people who mask their true sexuality (assuming there is such a thing) for one reason or another, but still, this discovery was quite a step towards understanding homosexuality.
The theory is accepted by many scientists, but not widely discussed or heard of for probably obvious reasons. Doing an internet search on INAH3 will give you more information. That 1994 article is the most recent information I have on the subject, and it doesn't really "prove" much, it merely suggests a lot.
Re: [Haven for the Human Amoeba] Re: Hi. Any scientific info?
<< Although I think that homosexuals were born that way (or at least that way for natural reasons) I don't feel that the "condition" is necessarily genetic. But...for some reason (and this goes for asexuals as well) or body has been programmed in a way that will prevent us from spreading our genes any further. Hmmm. I have weird health problems, so this makes sense to me, but I don't know how my perception of this fits in with you less-defective folk. Any ideas?
Er, if you're saying away from reproduction, I know of a few cases where a homosexual and lesbian couple move in together and create children, and all four people's genes are being passed on. And there are many lesbians who get inseminated..
While I don't want to have sex, I'd like to have children through artifical insemination.
Re: [Haven for the Human Amoeba] Re: Hi. Any scientific info?
<< Yeah, I know that lots of gay people reproduce in one way or another. What I ask, however is if these people were around 100 years ago, would their sexual orientation overpower their desire for children or vice versa? If we take social expectations out of the equation, would homosexuals and asexuals end up forever childless? I'm talking about reproduction without the aid of medical science or man-made institutions. Wanting to adopt or be artificially inseminated is not the same as wanting to find a mate in order to make a child. I don't think that our genes have figured out all the things that science can do, so I'm talking from a physical, genetic perspective, not a social one. >>
I think I'm a pretty weird case, but I'd consent to being knocked out and impregnated so I didn't have to remember the experience but could still bear a child.
Re: Hi. Any scientific info?
I remember that article, and that was the article to suggest that homosexuality was genetically inherited. This should have led to the identification of the gene that might cause homosexuality (either in the presence/absence or in the level of expression), but that obviously hasn't occurred. The level of clustering could be more developmental-based than genetic-based however. Thanks for your help.
In regards to homosexuality: I think I posted this 20 years ago or something, but if you want to read about one theory on homosexuality and genetics, there was an interesting article in the March 1994 issue of Discover magazine.
Here's the synopsis: There's a cell cluster in the hypothalamus called INAH3. Typically, straight men have big INAH3's whilst gay men's are a bit smaller. Women's and gay men's cell clusters are roughly the same size, and it's believed to be a genetic cause for homosexuality. There are of course people who mask their true sexuality (assuming there is such a thing) for one reason or another, but still, this discovery was quite a step towards understanding homosexuality.
The theory is accepted by many scientists, but not widely discussed or heard of for probably obvious reasons. Doing an internet search on INAH3 will give you more information. That 1994 article is the most recent information I have on the subject, and it doesn't really "prove" much, it merely suggests a lot.
Although I think that homosexuals were born that way (or at least that way for natural reasons) I don't feel that the "condition" is necessarily genetic. But...for some reason (and this goes for asexuals as well) or body has been programmed in a way that will prevent us from spreading our genes any further. Hmmm. I have weird health problems, so this makes sense to me, but I don't know how my perception of this fits in with you less-defective folk. Any ideas?
Re: Hi. Any scientific info?
<< Although I think that homosexuals were born that way (or at least that way for natural reasons) I don't feel that the "condition" is necessarily genetic. But...for some reason (and this goes for asexuals as well) or body has been programmed in a way that will prevent us from spreading our genes any further. Hmmm. I have weird health problems, so this makes sense to me, but I don't know how my perception of this fits in with you less-defective folk. Any ideas?
Er, if you're saying away from reproduction, I know of a few cases where a homosexual and lesbian couple move in together and create children, and all four people's genes are being passed on. And there are many lesbians who get inseminated..
While I don't want to have sex, I'd like to have children through artifical insemination.
Yeah, I know that lots of gay people reproduce in one way or another. What I ask, however is if these people were around 100 years ago, would their sexual orientation overpower their desire for children or vice versa? If we take social expectations out of the equation, would homosexuals and asexuals end up forever childless? I'm talking about reproduction without the aid of medical science or man-made institutions. Wanting to adopt or be artificially inseminated is not the same as wanting to find a mate in order to make a child. I don't think that our genes have figured out all the things that science can do, so I'm talking from a physical, genetic perspective, not a social one.
<< Although I think that homosexuals were born that way (or at least that way for natural reasons) I don't feel that the "condition" is necessarily genetic. But...for some reason (and this goes for asexuals as well) or body has been programmed in a way that will prevent us from spreading our genes any further. Hmmm. I have weird health problems, so this makes sense to me, but I don't know how my perception of this fits in with you less-defective folk. Any ideas?
Er, if you're saying away from reproduction, I know of a few cases where a homosexual and lesbian couple move in together and create children, and all four people's genes are being passed on. And there are many lesbians who get inseminated..
While I don't want to have sex, I'd like to have children through artifical insemination.
Re: Hi. Any scientific info?
<< Yeah, I know that lots of gay people reproduce in one way or another. What I ask, however is if these people were around 100 years ago, would their sexual orientation overpower their desire for children or vice versa? If we take social expectations out of the equation, would homosexuals and asexuals end up forever childless? I'm talking about reproduction without the aid of medical science or man-made institutions. Wanting to adopt or be artificially inseminated is not the same as wanting to find a mate in order to make a child. I don't think that our genes have figured out all the things that science can do, so I'm talking from a physical, genetic perspective, not a social one. >>
I think I'm a pretty weird case, but I'd consent to being knocked out and impregnated so I didn't have to remember the experience but could still bear a child.
Yeah, I know that lots of gay people reproduce in one way or another. What I ask, however is if these people were around 100 years ago, would their sexual orientation overpower their desire for children or vice versa? If we take social expectations out of the equation, would homosexuals and asexuals end up forever childless? I'm talking about reproduction without the aid of medical science or man-made institutions. Wanting to adopt or be artificially inseminated is not the same as wanting to find a mate in order to make a child. I don't think that our genes have figured out all the things that science can do, so I'm talking from a physical, genetic perspective, not a social one.
Assuming the people in question are physically capable, then it just depends on their desire to have children (desirable?). I'm willing to have relations with a girl if offered $5 million dollars because my desire for $5 million dollars is quite high.
People are like paintings.
While I have very strange tastes in whom I find attractive (male japanese crossdressers is just one of them)I find that people are like paintings & we are customers. We all want at least one to hang on our wall & stare at mindlessly, but we curtainly don't want to make-out with it^^*
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hi there...im a 19 year old female seeking either a male of female asexual for friendship...possible relationship.
i live in glasgow, scotland but dont mind travelling some. i enjoy reading, writing, music, hugs, and hanging with friends.
im 5'6 and have long light brown hair and blue eyes. i do have a picture if anyone is interested.
if youd like to know more, either post here or send me an e mail to ffyre13@...
thanks
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I'm interested in getting to know some people, cuz I just became a member, so some e-mails would be nice. That's all.
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First Post by a WoMBaT
Hey. I just read the post just before mine by lisa and she has taken the words right out of my mouth. I'm Cameron or as many people call me "The WoMBaT". I'm 20, also new here, and interested in hearing from people. But right now, I have got to run to class. I hope to hear from you!
Re: [Haven for the Human Amoeba] First Post by a WoMBaT
Hey. I just read the post just before mine by lisa and she has taken the words right out of my mouth. I'm Cameron or as many people call me "The WoMBaT". I'm 20, also new here, and interested in hearing from people. But right now, I have got to run to class. I hope to hear from you!
Good to see new people!!
I'm David (also 20) and I've been around here and the other communities for a while (a few years now.) It's good to have a place where you can talk about asexuality and not have to constantly explain yourself. So.. what'r your guys' stories?
Hey. I just read the post just before mine by lisa and she has taken the words right out of my mouth. I'm Cameron or as many people call me "The WoMBaT". I'm 20, also new here, and interested in hearing from people. But right now, I have got to run to class. I hope to hear from you!
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DOES ANYONE DO ANY CHATTING?
Hey all... i'm Amro,25...i'm sorta new around here and i need someone to show me around! i've been checking the posted messages every other day but it doesnt seem like there's alot of interaction going on between the members of this group.ANYONE KNOWS WHY? It would really be something if we could perhaps create a chat room on mirc or any other common chat program where we could chat more often and hear what all of us out here would have to say or think. I REALLY WANT TO TALK/CHAT TO OTHER ASEXUAL PEOPLE!
so whadya all think?
Cheers... Amro
Re: [Haven for the Human Amoeba] DOES ANYONE DO ANY CHATTING?
Hey all... i'm Amro,25...i'm sorta new around here and i need someone to show me around! i've been checking the posted messages every other day but it doesnt seem like there's alot of interaction going on between the members of this group.ANYONE KNOWS WHY? It would really be something if we could perhaps create a chat room on mirc or any other common chat program where we could chat more often and hear what all of us out here would have to say or think. I REALLY WANT TO TALK/CHAT TO OTHER ASEXUAL PEOPLE!
so whadya all think?
Cheers... Amro
If you want you can check out some of the other communities..
the Asexual Visibility and Education Network- http://www.asexuality.org
The Livejournal Asexuality Group http://www.livejournal.com/community/asexuality/
The Livejournal Asexuals group (which is different) http://www.livejournal.com/users/asexuals/
These three and the Amoebas are the four big communities, though there are a few more floating around that are just getting started. Each has it's own flavor and they vary somewhat in terms of how they think about asexuality.
In terms of chat rooms I know that there's one on AVEN and another with this board, though it's almost impossible to get two people on at the same time to chat. The best strategy I've found it to get people's IM names and contact them that way.
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Hey all... i'm Amro,25...i'm sorta new around here and i need someone to show me around! i've been checking the posted messages every other day but it doesnt seem like there's alot of interaction going on between the members of this group.ANYONE KNOWS WHY? It would really be something if we could perhaps create a chat room on mirc or any other common chat program where we could chat more often and hear what all of us out here would have to say or think. I REALLY WANT TO TALK/CHAT TO OTHER ASEXUAL PEOPLE!
so whadya all think?
Cheers... Amro
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Hey all... i'm Amro,25...i'm sorta new around here and i need someone to show me around! i've been checking the posted messages every other day but it doesnt seem like there's alot of interaction going on between the members of this group.ANYONE KNOWS WHY? It would really be something if we could perhaps create a chat room on mirc or any other common chat program where we could chat more often and hear what all of us out here would have to say or think. I REALLY WANT TO TALK/CHAT TO OTHER ASEXUAL PEOPLE!
so whadya all think?
Cheers... Amro
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Hey all... i'm Amro,25...i'm sorta new around here and i need someone to show me around! i've been checking the posted messages every other day but it doesnt seem like there's alot of interaction going on between the members of this group.ANYONE KNOWS WHY? It would really be something if we could perhaps create a chat room on mirc or any other common chat program where we could chat more often and hear what all of us out here would have to say or think. I REALLY WANT TO TALK/CHAT TO OTHER ASEXUAL PEOPLE!
so whadya all think?
Cheers... Amro
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