Haven for the Human Amoeba

LOL....when will this repetitive topic stop? He's definately getting much attention here. Who wants to start a new thread? I think it's overdue.

On 7 Sep 2002, 21:05 +00:00, Master Eiji said:

I'm only this way because women wouldnt lower their standards for me..

??? That's gotta be the stupidest remark I ever heard. So, you think you are an inferior being? I thought you were supposed to be this superior non-sexual being that wanted everyone else raised up to your elite standard. You contradict yourself.

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I have seen the life on this planet and that's why I'm looking elsewhere. - Fox Mulder, X-Files

He needs to go, IMO! He's angry w/ himself and lashing at the world. No one here needs that or deserves it.

Sorry it took me so long to approve messages posted by newbies. Anyway, apparently MasterEiji does not remember the *last* time he joined this group. It was the same situation, only he seems a bit more angry and confused this time around. C'mon Eiji...I didn't forget about you *that* easily, even though it's been years now. In fact, I *still* have a saved copy of our last conversation on my hard drive. We've had words before and I have let it slide because I did not want a repeat of last time. Frankly I have tuned out most of this thread so it doesn't bother me, but I can't say the same for other people. Anyway, let's not let this "debate" get out of hand.

Welcome aboard, nice 2 have you here. We have been needing something/someone "fresh". I have practiced Islam and have a great deal of respect for IT. Where r u from? I'm in the South of USA. Anyways, this is not the place for religion, so I will not go any further w/ that. Hope you will feel at home here. Asalamalaikum! (Excuse me, my friends, who don't know arabic..I don't mean to be rude.) I was telling her "Peace Be w/ You"! And Peace to all of you as well!!!!

Hello everyone! I'm a newbie here, and have recently discovered that there was a word for asexuality....from my sociology textbook *laugh*. Well, it certainly was relieving to find that not only was there a word to describe people like me, but that I was also not the only one in the world. :) I'm really glad to have found this group! I've been asexual my whole life, much to the bewilderment of most of my friends. Some of them think that I'm just a repressed lesbian (which I'm definitly not) , while others admire it, and compare me to famous religious women in Islam. ^^;; (I am a Muslim by the way). Well, have to wrap this up now, but I'd like to add that I'd love to hear from anyone else about their experiences or just to simply talk. It'd be nice to finally meet someone who's like me. :) So if you like, please feel free to drop me an email. (f_ah84@y...) <--please remove the "no spam" bit

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Assalamu Alaikum! (peace be with you and with everyone here as well :) ) Wow, this is really great! I'm really glad that there's another muslim here as well! :D As for where I'm from, I'm american, but I've been living in the middle east for about 12 years now.

Welcome aboard, nice 2 have you here. We have been needing something/someone "fresh". I have practiced Islam and have a great deal of respect for IT. Where r u from? I'm in the South of USA. Anyways, this is not the place for religion, so I will not go any further w/ that. Hope you will feel at home here. Asalamalaikum! (Excuse me, my friends, who don't know arabic..I don't mean to be rude.) I was telling her "Peace Be w/ You"! And Peace to all of you as well!!!!

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I'm no longer a Muslim, however, I still have full respect for It. You could say I'm a believer in All religions now...difficult to explain. I respect all religions as I believe that their true followers are trying to "reach" God/Allah in whatever ways work best for them. Peace To All! I will not speak any further about religion here because it's not the appropriate place. Just wanted to clarify. I am an American also and have been in the middle east "Jordan" many years ago. I hope you find this website/group beneficial for whatever support you came here for.

Asalamalaikum...Peace to everyone!

Assalamu Alaikum! (peace be with you and with everyone here as well :) ) Wow, this is really great! I'm really glad that there's another muslim here as well! :D As for where I'm from, I'm american, but I've been living in the middle east for about 12 years now.

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Welcome aboard, nice 2 have you here. We have been needing something/someone "fresh". I have practiced Islam and have a great deal of respect for IT. Where r u from? I'm in the South of USA. Anyways, this is not the place for religion, so I will not go any further w/ that. Hope you will feel at home here. Asalamalaikum! (Excuse me, my friends, who don't know arabic..I don't mean to be rude.) I was telling her "Peace Be w/ You"! And Peace to all of you as well!!!!

Sparkle (and others)....

I understand about my last jaunt to this forum.. but it seems my situation has been reinforced since last time..

I found out recently that I have an inherited genetic defect that I could pass on to my offspring (a genetic pre-disposal to bipolar disorder)... and since I tend to be a firm beliver in genetic "pre- destination" I feel its better if I never have sex or get married.. (mostly because since I"m better off not having kids, sex has lost too much of its purpose to stay anything reasonably meaningful).

anyway.. thats my story..flame me as you see fit.. I dont care.. I've gotten used to such derision when I was just a kid.. (my mother used to punish me for "being born the wrong gender".. so its nothing new to me)

you can still get married.. my main reason for not reproducing is bipolar disorder. I can live with it, but i can't make myself put someone else through it.

Sarae Montgomery

Sparkle (and others)....

I understand about my last jaunt to this forum.. but it seems my situation has been reinforced since last time..

I found out recently that I have an inherited genetic defect that I could pass on to my offspring (a genetic pre-disposal to bipolar disorder)... and since I tend to be a firm beliver in genetic "pre- destination" I feel its better if I never have sex or get married.. (mostly because since I"m better off not having kids, sex has lost too much of its purpose to stay anything reasonably meaningful).

anyway.. thats my story..flame me as you see fit.. I dont care.. I've gotten used to such derision when I was just a kid.. (my mother used to punish me for "being born the wrong gender".. so its nothing new to me)

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I feel its better if I never have sex or get married.. (mostly because since I"m better off not having kids, sex has lost too much of its purpose to stay anything reasonably meaningful).

I understand this reasoning as far as not having kids. I inherited a genetic predisposition for diabetes from both sides of my family (my mother died of hers) so I also have good reason not to have kids. I never really wanted any anyway because I'm just not interested in babies or toddlers; I wouldn't mind fostering teenagers but have never had a partner to share the duties, so that never worked out, at least not so far.

I don't understand why so many people still think sex = kids though. That part of us has been liberated by birth control and tubal ligation/vasectomy so that people can have sex just for love and pleasure if they wish, just practice safer sex or have testing for STD's and then be monogamous with a single partner.

Anyway, as long as you aren't hateful, there's no reason why you can't be the way you want to be. Hate will eat at you inside, but if you are at peace, then I think that's all we really look for here...to be comfortable with your life choices.

Therese Shellabarger / The Roving Reporter - Civis Mundi tlshell@... / http://www.concentric.net/~tlshell

I found out recently that I have an inherited genetic defect that I could pass on to my offspring (a genetic pre-disposal to bipolar disorder)... and since I tend to be a firm beliver in genetic "pre- destination" I feel its better if I never have sex or get married.. (mostly because since I"m better off not having kids, sex has lost too much of its purpose to stay anything reasonably meaningful).

There is a much easier solution: have yourself sterilized. A very simple surgical procedure.

(my mother used to punish me for "being born the wrong gender".. so its nothing new to me)

This in itself may explain a lot about your attitude...

There is a much easier solution: have yourself sterilized. A very simple surgical procedure. it would have to wait for a few years.. I'm on medicaid and they wont cover this kind of operation.. (under the rules for my state, this is regarded as "elective surgery", unless I had something like testular cancer).

(my mother used to punish me for "being born the wrong gender".. so its nothing new to me)

This in itself may explain a lot about your attitude...

well.. that, and I get this feeling that a man liking a woman as a woman doesnt seem very PC nowadays.. I mean, if women wanted men to be interested in them.. they why do they put up these arbitrary laws that only serve to discourage men? (like sex harassment ones)

Hi All, I haven't posted anything in quite some time and am so glad to see that this group is still alive and kicking! I saw this interesting special on ABC last night regarding sexless marriages and it was the women in two couples that were complaining that their husbands had little sexual desire whatsoever. I found that rather interesting because stereotypically, our society has usually focused on females' low sexual drives. Did anyone else see this show? I found myself unable to relate to the wives of course and their total focus on physical satisfaction in their relationships. Of course, the show was portraying the husbands' low sexual drives as a problem and the need for a sex therapist to help. I think that's fine if the men want to save their marriages but I couldn't help thinking that I hope that were not giving into any societal pressures to have sex because they would have been thought of as weird, different, freaky, etc.etc.

I didn't see the TV program, but it sounds like something I would be interested in. It made me begin to wonder, Is asexuality genetic? I know it sounds silly at first, but lately my mother has confided in me how my dad was never interested in sex. After a great many years of no sex, my mother has become very frustrated. I don't think she ever would have told me this if it were not for me disclosing my disinterest in the deed. She thinks that I need help and that it is some horrible affliction. I know that her opinion on the matter is fueled by her loss of a part of life that is important to her. However, the main difference between my dad and I is this: I am not going to torture someone by withholding sex from them. I don't want to get married. i guess my dad got married because of social pressure (people didn't have much of a choice in the 60's) and now my mother has suffered for it. Anyway, the point is that I think there may be a case for asexuality being genetic, and if so, will it become less prevalent throughout time now that it is socially acceptable to live a single life?

There is a much easier solution: have yourself sterilized. A very simple surgical procedure. it would have to wait for a few years.. I'm on medicaid and they wont cover this kind of operation.. (under the rules for my state, this is regarded as "elective surgery", unless I had something like testular cancer).

Ah. It's covered under provincial health-care plans in Canada. In fact, the province in which I live once removed the procedure from its list of insured services, then put it back a year later when they realized that the cost of a vasectomy was a lot less than the cost of the pregnancy that could have been prevented.

well.. that, and I get this feeling that a man liking a woman as a woman doesnt seem very PC nowadays.. I mean, if women wanted men to be interested in them.. they why do they put up these arbitrary laws that only serve to discourage men? (like sex harassment ones)

The laws aren't there to discourage men. They are there to protect women. Big difference. Most men who want female companionship don't find this to be a problem. If your own approach has been interpreted by some as harassment, you seriously need to change how you do things.

glenn

Ah. It's covered under provincial health-care plans in Canada. In fact, the province in which I live once removed the procedure from its list of insured services, then put it back a year later when they realized that the cost of a vasectomy was a lot less than the cost of the pregnancy that could have been prevented. well... I guess we got the Christian Coalition conspiracy at work in this country.. I just got word the gov't just told a company that helped seniors get affordable drugs from Canada to shut down or face a lawsuit... if there isnt a conspiracy at work here, then I dont know what is.

The laws aren't there to discourage men. They are there to protect women. Big difference. Most men who want female companionship don't find this to be a problem. If your own approach has been interpreted by some as harassment, you seriously need to change how you do things.

I never said they were DESIGNED to discourage men.. but it does seem to have that as an unintended "side-effect". and I do agree.. they're meant to protect women, and ONLY women.. despite saying they're "gender neutral" (I was harassed once myself at my last job by one woman.. she kept asking me to go out with her on company time.. when I reported it, the HR ppl just told me to laugh it off.. even though it was interfering with my work).

And I for one always feel like I"m tap-dancing on land mines whenever I try to meet a girl.. (Assuming I get over the "stealth mode" I seem to have whenever I try to go "girl scouting"). As for the "most men" for starters A> I'm not most men, in fact I dont like being called a man because I find males to be a race of talking animals (and women are the only legal gender), and B>I dont see why women, who seem to always chant "men only want one thing", seem to treat me with even more contempt when I say that the "one thing" I'm after is companionship, and not sex... (I regard sex as something below human, since I cant have kids)

I don't understand why so many people still think sex = kids though. That part of us has been liberated by birth control and tubal ligation/vasectomy so that people can have sex just for love and pleasure if they wish, just practice safer sex or have testing for STD's and then be monogamous with a single partner.

well.. kids IS what sex is intrinsically designed for.. isnt it?

I dont see why women, who seem to always chant "men only want one thing", seem to treat me with even more contempt when I say that the "one thing" I'm after is companionship, and not sex.

Probably because they think you're a bold-faced liar. I think you need to show your intentions rather than state them because too many men have indeed lied on this topic. Anyway, I think most women would prefer if men didn't bring up the topic of sex on a date until and unless they have gone out several times and developed a strong friendship. There's nothing wrong with platonic friendships, I have had lots of them.

Therese Shellabarger / The Roving Reporter - Civis Mundi tlshell@... / http://www.concentric.net/~tlshell

tlshell@c... said:

I don't understand why so many people still think sex = kids though. That part of us has been liberated by birth control and tubal ligation/vasectomy so that people can have sex just for love and pleasure if they wish, just practice safer sex or have testing for STD's and then be monogamous with a single partner.

well.. kids IS what sex is intrinsically designed for.. isnt it?

Sex is also for pleasure and to further develop a bond between two people living together. The pleasure encourages people to have sex often enough that kids could happen, but that doesn't mean that sex is 100% for making kids. In real life, one could have sex many times during the month and not have a pregnancy because conditions have to be right with both the male and the female. Gay/lesbian sex is pleasure/bonding without pregnancy.

Therese Shellabarger / The Roving Reporter - Civis Mundi tlshell@... / http://www.concentric.net/~tlshell

well... I guess we got the Christian Coalition conspiracy at work in this country.. I just got word the gov't just told a company that helped seniors get affordable drugs from Canada to shut down or face a lawsuit... if there isnt a conspiracy at work here, then I dont know what is.

Oh, it's probably a conspiracy of some kind, but I wouldn't blame the Christians. I have no idea what drugs cost in the USA. I only have some vague notion of what they cost here because I have prescription drug coverage through my work, which pays for 80% of the cost.

I never said they were DESIGNED to discourage men.. but it does seem to have that as an unintended "side-effect".

Not that I've ever noticed. I see men get women all the time.

and I do agree.. they're meant to protect women, and ONLY women..

Even though I know of at least one case locally where a man was getting unwanted advances from a woman at work, and used the sexual-harassment laws to get her to stop.

they're "gender neutral" (I was harassed once myself at my last job by one woman.. she kept asking me to go out with her on company time.. when I reported it, the HR ppl just told me to laugh it off.. even though it was interfering with my work).

I would have gone higher than that, if the HR people just laughed it off.

And I for one always feel like I"m tap-dancing on land mines whenever I try to meet a girl..

This does not surprise me.

(Assuming I get over the "stealth mode" I seem to have whenever I try to go "girl scouting").

That's part of the problem right there.

As for the "most men" for starters A> I'm not most men, in fact I dont like being called a man because I find males to be a race of talking animals

Perhaps women are picking up on your own peculiar brand of self-loathing and respond by taking evasive action.

are the only legal gender), and B>I dont see why women, who seem to always chant "men only want one thing", seem to treat me with even more contempt when I say that the "one thing" I'm after is companionship, and not sex...

It's because if a man comes out and says that he only wants companionship, he's usually lying. A man who genuinely wants only companionship doesn't need to come out and say it.

(I regard sex as something below human, since I cant have kids)

Neither can I. But with me, sex is simply something to which I am indifferent. On the other hand, I know someone else who can't have kids who has more sex than most any other two people, and figures on getting away with it because he can't cause a pregnancy.

Not that I've ever noticed. I see men get women all the time. Those ones you see are the exceptions.. not the rule.

And I for one always feel like I"m tap-dancing on land mines whenever I try to meet a girl.. This does not surprise me. How so?

(Assuming I get over the "stealth mode" I seem to have whenever I try to go "girl scouting"). That's part of the problem right there. Well.. I'd do something about it if I knew HOW I'm doing it.. and thats the critical information that I'm missing... not to mention this sick game called dating has the flaw of having absolutely no provision for self-correction... I fail to meet a woman's expectations and I'm right back to Square Zero.

It's because if a man comes out and says that he only wants companionship, he's usually lying. A man who genuinely wants only companionship doesn't need to come out and say it. that only gives me all the more reason to stay away from women and more proof that they hate men by default... if they're going to regard me as a liar when I'm telling the truth..then they are genetically INCAPABLE of being entrusted with my heart.

On the other hand, I know someone else who can't have kids who has more sex than most any other two people, and figures on getting away with it because he can't cause a pregnancy. this kind of male has only one place in life in my opinion... the Zoo.

Sounds like w/ all your hostility towards women, and all the problems yr having w/ them, you'd be better off w/ a man. Perhaps then you won't have to worry about sexual harassement either. Guess you still haven't considered any therapy, huh? Yr openions and way of thinking are the strangest ones I've ever heard before. I'm sure I'll be hearing from you soon!

Glenn said:

Not that I've ever noticed. I see men get women all the time. Those ones you see are the exceptions.. not the rule.

And I for one always feel like I"m tap-dancing on land mines whenever I try to meet a girl.. This does not surprise me. How so?

(Assuming I get over the "stealth mode" I seem to have whenever I try to go "girl scouting"). That's part of the problem right there. Well.. I'd do something about it if I knew HOW I'm doing it.. and thats the critical information that I'm missing... not to mention this sick game called dating has the flaw of having absolutely no provision for self-correction... I fail to meet a woman's expectations and I'm right back to Square Zero.

It's because if a man comes out and says that he only wants companionship, he's usually lying. A man who genuinely wants only companionship doesn't need to come out and say it. that only gives me all the more reason to stay away from women and more proof that they hate men by default... if they're going to regard me as a liar when I'm telling the truth..then they are genetically INCAPABLE of being entrusted with my heart.

On the other hand, I know someone else who can't have kids who has more sex than most any other two people, and figures on getting away with it because he can't cause a pregnancy. this kind of male has only one place in life in my opinion... the Zoo.

Sounds like w/ all your hostility towards women, and all the problems yr having w/ them, you'd be better off w/ a man. Perhaps then you won't have to worry about sexual harassement either. Guess you still haven't considered any therapy, huh? Yr openions and way of thinking are the strangest ones I've ever heard before. I'm sure I'll be hearing from you soon!

being with a man wont work.. I'm NOT homosexual. And yes, I HAVE had some therapy, only thing is my fears about women have only gotten reinforced.

look, when someone like me gets barred from dating in high school for having an oversized brain.. it may as well be for life.

here's some more reasons.. its been going around the Incel maillist I'm on with majordomo...

http://www.salon.com/sex/feature/2003/10/01/marlowe/index_np.html