Wow Cijay, Where is Edmonton? I mean what state? Gosh this sounds wonderful. I dress for comfort too. I have NEVER worn things for esthetics. Of course I sort of stuck out and my family has tried to get me to change more so in this area but I don't think this would go very far. I don't use make-up and hate the crap too. In the last year I did find women's pants that are obviously women's that are very comfortable. So I do have a color selection of the same style since they fulfill my comfort priority. I use comfy tennis shoes that do NOT become narrow at the end of the foot and so on.
Jen
I guess it's different everywhere, here in Edmonton, you'd pretty much have to wear a wedding dress on your shopping errands before anyone would even look twice at what you're wearing. Then again, we're not exactly the fashion capitol of the world. Here, overall unless it's someone extremely vain, people dress for comfort/practicality over aesthetics. Being as women's clothing are less comfortable, more expensive, higher maintenance than men's or unisex, the trend is men's style clothing. If we're going through the hystorical timeline, you may want to have a look at the lace & frilly blouses, pantaloons and knee socks men once wore. I don't know why that fashion trend changed but I'm comfortable saying it was for comfort.
Don't forget too, the trend for many years (until the early 70s here) was that guys at work/school could dress however they wanted, women HAD to wear skirts/dresses. HAD TO. It can be -40 here in the winter - not often but it does happen. Women HAD TO wear dresses, shitty little ginky shoes and stockings. It progressed in the work place to they could wear pants but it HAD TO be a pantsuit. No co-ordinates, the pieces had to be purchased as a set. I can bet you a pair of frozen legs/toes that it wasn't a women who thought up that rule. So, why wouldn't we want to wear what WAS once men's clothes (but what ARE now unisex) and why would men WANT to wear nylon, fortrelle and clicky-ticky high heel shoes? Why would they WANT to pay 3 times the price for 1/2 the material?
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Jordon, if this happens and it seems to in many ways as men do fuss over their hair and other things; I do think it will not last so long as it has for women.
I am hoping that both can wear comfortable clothing and tramps are not accepted. I dislike seeing men or women in sleezy clothing.
Jen
I really have to agree. I'm male and I'm very happy about it, because I can get away with wearing floppy tracksuit trousers and an old green shirt, both splattered with paint, and a pair of trainers split on the bottom - and no one comments! I feel terrible for girls who have to agonise for hours over their wardrobes, I really do!
But don't you feel the trend for is reversing somewhat? I can get away with dressing like a tramp, but most of the guys around here are rich enough to get good clothes, and spend time making their hair look good instead of living with the 'Young Einstein' effect like I do. Perhaps one day we'll find that, as work clothes become more casual, uncomfortable but aesthetic attire will become the norm, and even a requirement, among men?
I hope not...
- Jordan
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Hi Cijay, My mother's feet are misshaped or as you say deformed. Mine are wide at the ball of the foot and have serious nerve problems. In fact I had surgery on my right foot and will soon be doing the same on the left foot. At least 2 nerves in each foot has enlarged itself to the point they don't fit between the bones in my feet. So the tissue and the bones squeeze the hell out of the nerves in my feet and therefore must be removed. Then there is the long healing process.
Anyway, I use New Balance tennis shoes. If you use the 810 style, you can get a 4E width for around $100.00 and that is much less than what you were speaking of. I have attempted to get a different shoe other than this one in 4E yet. Prior to this problem becoming so severe I was able to use 2E shoes and those always varied between $60 and $100 which is again less than what you are paying.
Jen
We won't be sure that women's liberation has been achieved though until it's OK for men to be like women, then finally we'll have true gender equality.
***I do agree with this, there are many things the women's libbers destroyed because they want supremacy*** As for men not being able to be like women, considering the rugged, "manly" look is only a few hundred years old and up 'til then there were no differences but for the fact that men wore "closed-crotch" clothing and women didn't. Little boys wore dresses. So it's not an age-old custom.
And the icky-ticky high heels were more directed at the dress codes up'til the 70s when we were allowed to wear what we want to work. I don't know anyone who'd give a rat's ass if a guy wears sensible women's shoes. Then again, I don't notice peoples' shoes. I just need shoes that are built for feet that are on sideways (seriously, my feet are deformed) and women's shoes aren't built for that. Funny enough the athletic shoes are, or I can get a "nice" pair for a low price of $375/pair. (men's shoes of the same type run $240).
I think if guys wanna' wear women's clothing, they may as well do it, after awhile nobody'll care. Not to mention the prices of the clothing will come down as the quality goes up.
When I was in highschool (waaaay back in 1978) people were just starting to dye their hair colours other than black, peroxide white, red or brown. Of course they caused heads to turn, especially when combined with the 'new' style haircuts. Now, nobody cares and it's natural to say "see the man over there with the green neon hair...next to the woman with the tie-dyed dreads". So, it'll be just as natural to say "see the guy over there in the black sequined gown with the pink mullet?" Honestly, nobody up here gives a shit what someone is dressed like as long as they don't stink and they're not disturbing anyone.
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Hi Glenn, I mentioned to Cijay about New Balance shoes. These are made in both men's and women's. I don't know what kind of insurance you have but I do know that insurance will often pay for what are known as orthotics. These are shoe inserts to support your arch. There are inserts that are over the counter that work just fine for many people. The prescribed ones are around $300.00 but the over the counter ones that I have seen people use successfully are around $20.00.
Jen
enough the athletic shoes are, or I can get a "nice" pair for a low price of $375/pair. (men's shoes of the same type run $240).
I spend an average of $30 to $40 on shoes. I go to Payless, where it's easy to find my size (13). And all I wear are athletic shoes, because they're the only kind that are built with arch supports. Without which, my feet would be in agony before long. (I have fallen arches.) I do have a pair of Rockports walking shoes, built like a running shoe but with the outward appearance of a dress shoe. Cost me over $100.00. I wear them only when I need a "dress shoe" look, which is maybe three times a year.
I think if guys wanna' wear women's clothing, they may as well do it, after awhile nobody'll care. Not to mention the prices of the clothing will come down as the quality goes up.
I dunno. Somehow I can't see myself going to work in a dress...
glenn
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On , jmnoble@... said:CHRISTMAS CAROLS FROM THE PSYCHIATRIC WARD
LOL! I sent these to a psychiatrist friend of mine...
Therese Shellabarger / The Roving Reporter - Civis Mundi tlshell@... / http://tlshell.cnc.net/
Keeper, definitely a keeper!
We won't be sure that women's liberation has been achieved though until it's OK for men to be like women, then finally we'll have true gender equality.
***I do agree with this, there are many things the women's libbers destroyed because they want supremacy*** As for men not being able to be like women, considering the rugged, "manly" look is only a few hundred years old and up 'til then there were no differences but for the fact that men wore "closed-crotch" clothing and women didn't. Little boys wore dresses. So it's not an age-old custom.
And the icky-ticky high heels were more directed at the dress codes up'til the 70s when we were allowed to wear what we want to work. I don't know anyone who'd give a rat's ass if a guy wears sensible women's shoes. Then again, I don't notice peoples' shoes. I just need shoes that are built for feet that are on sideways (seriously, my feet are deformed) and women's shoes aren't built for that. Funny enough the athletic shoes are, or I can get a "nice" pair for a low price of $375/pair. (men's shoes of the same type run $240).
I think if guys wanna' wear women's clothing, they may as well do it, after awhile nobody'll care. Not to mention the prices of the clothing will come down as the quality goes up.
When I was in highschool (waaaay back in 1978) people were just starting to dye their hair colours other than black, peroxide white, red or brown. Of course they caused heads to turn, especially when combined with the 'new' style haircuts. Now, nobody cares and it's natural to say "see the man over there with the green neon hair...next to the woman with the tie-dyed dreads". So, it'll be just as natural to say "see the guy over there in the black sequined gown with the pink mullet?" Honestly, nobody up here gives a shit what someone is dressed like as long as they don't stink and they're not disturbing anyone.
just as natural to say "see the guy over there in the black sequined gown with the pink mullet?"
Been hanging out at The Roost, have we? :-D
glenn
Glenn! You're in Edmonton aren't you? Go to Payless at Londonderry (now that it's safe again!) my brother manages that one LOL
Glenn! You're in Edmonton aren't you? Go to Payless at Londonderry (now that it's safe again!) my brother manages that one LOL
I wasn't aware that Londonderry wasn't safe. Though I admit it's been a while since I've been to that mall...
glenn
I have read with interest the comments of those of you with Asperger's Syndrome or are Highly Sensitive to stimuli. Ya'll have highlighted a major theory of the autism spectrum disorders- that such persons have difficulty handling large amounts of stimulation. When I was an undergrad psych major, I had to do some research on this topic.
I also note, in relation to the introverts topic, that one possible biological basis of the introvert/extrovert distinction is again the amount of stimulation the person is able to handle, or rather, the ideal amount for that person. There's a part of the brainstem called the reticular activating system that in part regulates overall arousal levels and how much stimulation gets to other parts of the brain from the incoming nerves. Introverts' RAS allow more stimulation to get through, thus they need less stimulation. Extroverts' RAS allow less stimulation to get through, thus they need more stimulation. At least that is one possible theory.
Sexual activity and attraction is, as far as I understand, highly sensual and arousing. Perhaps a reason those of you who are introverts or have Asperger's Syndrome identify as asexual is that you can't tolerate the amount of stimulation that sexual activity brings. Just a thought.
I actually have had good experiences with therapists with regard to my current asexual orientation. In fact they stated that there is a percentage of people who have the low end of the sexual desire bell curve. So it's "normal" (pun intended). This leads me to think that there probably has been some literature out there in the journals if the therapists have been thus enlightened, but I haven't had the time yet to search PsychInfo (psychological abstracts database) to check it out.
Btw Annie's Mailbox recently had a column on a 51 year old man who asks if asexuality is normal and that he has always been that way. They advised him to have his hormones checked out. I wrote to them about AVEN and us...
--Julie
I also note, in relation to the introverts topic, that one possible biological basis of the introvert/extrovert distinction is again the amount of stimulation the person is able to handle, or rather, the ideal amount for that person. There's a part of the brainstem called the reticular activating system that in part regulates overall arousal levels and how much stimulation gets to other parts of the brain from the incoming nerves. Introverts' RAS allow more stimulation to get through, thus they need less stimulation. Extroverts' RAS allow less stimulation to get through, thus they need more stimulation. At least that is one possible theory.
Interesting theory. But I'm an introvert, and I'm a stimulus junkie. I'm rather the opposite of a Highly Sensitive Person. I read while listening to music, I play on the computer while watching TV... if it's dead silent inside my apartment, it means I'm either asleep or not there at all...
Sexual activity and attraction is, as far as I understand, highly sensual and arousing. Perhaps a reason those of you who are introverts or have Asperger's Syndrome identify as asexual is that you can't tolerate the amount of stimulation that sexual activity brings. Just a thought.
Oh, I don't object to the amount of stimulation that sexual activity brings. I'm simply indifferent to it.
I actually have had good experiences with therapists with regard to my current asexual orientation. In fact they stated that there is a percentage of people who have the low end of the sexual desire bell curve. So it's "normal" (pun intended).
That's what a psychiatrist told me when I checked to see if there was something wrong with me because I had no desire for sex.
glenn
In my high school, we had a small crew of people (maybe 10-15) who tried to institute "Un-casual Friday" We would dress up (dresses, suits, ties..etc) on Friday. We got a small following to participate and actually won over most of the athletes. There's a custom of athletes dressing up on days that they have a game/meet/match. It really was rather fun... I kind of miss the whole thing.
Nowdays, my dress is primarily business casual. I haven't worn shorts since 1998 and haven't worn jeans since 2001. I wear dress pants (fairly loose) and either a t-shirt, button-up shirt or semi-dressy velvet shirt. It looks decent but still feels comfy. Works for me!
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jordan_ai said:But don't you feel the trend for is reversing somewhat? I can get away with dressing like a tramp, but most of the guys around here are rich enough to get good clothes, and spend time making their hair look good instead of living with the 'Young Einstein' effect like I do. Perhaps one day we'll find that, as work clothes become more casual, uncomfortable but aesthetic attire will become the norm, and even a requirement, among men?
Possibly. The "Casual Friday" seems to be becoming a thing of the past. I'm glad I found a job where casual is the norm. I work in a call centre, so I don't have to look dressy. My usual workday garb is black jeans and a polo shirt, a notch above the usual jeans-and-T-shirt most people wear.
Any job that required me to wear a shirt and tie is a job I would quickly try to find a replacement for...
glenn
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In my high school, we had a small crew of people (maybe 10-15) who tried to institute "Un-casual Friday". We would dress up (dresses, suits, ties..etc) on Friday.
Reminds me of my grade 12 year, when a bunch of us (all guys) formed an unofficial "Suits On Monday Club" -- we would all come to school on Monday in a suit and tie (or at the very least, shirt, tie, jacket, and pants that all co-ordinated).
glenn
Hi Glenn, I mentioned to Cijay about New Balance shoes. These are made in both men's and women's. I don't know what kind of insurance you have but I do know that insurance will often pay for what are known as orthotics. These are shoe inserts to support your arch. There are inserts that are over the counter that work just fine for many people. The prescribed ones are around $300.00 but the over the counter ones that I have seen people use successfully are around $20.00.
Jen
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Cijay said:enough the athletic shoes are, or I can get a "nice" pair for a low price of $375/pair. (men's shoes of the same type run $240).
I spend an average of $30 to $40 on shoes. I go to Payless, where it's easy to find my size (13). And all I wear are athletic shoes, because they're the only kind that are built with arch supports. Without which, my feet would be in agony before long. (I have fallen arches.) I do have a pair of Rockports walking shoes, built like a running shoe but with the outward appearance of a dress shoe. Cost me over $100.00. I wear them only when I need a "dress shoe" look, which is maybe three times a year.
I think if guys wanna' wear women's clothing, they may as well do it, after awhile nobody'll care. Not to mention the prices of the clothing will come down as the quality goes up.
I dunno. Somehow I can't see myself going to work in a dress...
glenn
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Hi Glenn, I mentioned to Cijay about New Balance shoes. These are made in both men's and women's. I don't know what kind of insurance you have but I do know that insurance will often pay for what are known as orthotics. These are shoe inserts to support your arch. There are inserts that are over the counter that work just fine for many people. The prescribed ones are around $300.00 but the over the counter ones that I have seen people use successfully are around $20.00.
Thanks, Jen. But I've already found a workable solution: wearing athletic shoes. Even the black velcro runners that I can get at Wal-Mart for $9.99 have sufficient support for my arches. Insurance won't pay for custom orthotics up here, and my doctor has warned me against using the over-the-counter type. I work in a call centre, so no one cares what I wear on my feet as long as they are shoes (as opposed to sandals or slippers). And the Rockports are suitable for the rare occasions in which I need something dressier.
glenn
Jordon, if this happens and it seems to in many ways as men do fuss over their hair and other things; I do think it will not last so long as it has for women.
I am hoping that both can wear comfortable clothing and tramps are not accepted. I dislike seeing men or women in sleezy clothing.
Jen
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I really have to agree. I'm male and I'm very happy about it, because I can get away with wearing floppy tracksuit trousers and an old green shirt, both splattered with paint, and a pair of trainers split on the bottom - and no one comments! I feel terrible for girls who have to agonise for hours over their wardrobes, I really do!
But don't you feel the trend for is reversing somewhat? I can get away with dressing like a tramp, but most of the guys around here are rich enough to get good clothes, and spend time making their hair look good instead of living with the 'Young Einstein' effect like I do. Perhaps one day we'll find that, as work clothes become more casual, uncomfortable but aesthetic attire will become the norm, and even a requirement, among men?
I hope not...
- Jordan
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I am hoping that both can wear comfortable clothing and tramps are not accepted. I dislike seeing men or women in sleezy clothing.
The only thing I can think of on this one is that homeless people often don't have much of a choice, and the rest may have mental problems that we don't know about...so I try to be patient even with the slovenly. Sometimes you just gotta see the person and not pay so much attention to the clothes...which is kind of the point of the thread anyway! (-:
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Hello Everyone, I know we don't usually use humor here but I think it's a good thing. Laughter is a wonderful thing that gives us much life and health.
Laughter happens to be my favorite thing in life so sometimes I still share it even where there isn't much around. I suppose I just gotta have it.
I do hope someone enjoyed some of these silly things I sent.
Laffins_Fun is my ID for a very good reason.
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Silly is ALWAYS appreciated! Just post them here
Hello Everyone, I know we don't usually use humor here but I think it's a good thing. Laughter is a wonderful thing that gives us much life and health.
Laughter happens to be my favorite thing in life so sometimes I still share it even where there isn't much around. I suppose I just gotta have it.
I do hope someone enjoyed some of these silly things I sent.
Laffins_Fun is my ID for a very good reason.
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On , jmnoble@... said:I am hoping that both can wear comfortable clothing and tramps are not accepted. I dislike seeing men or women in sleezy clothing.
The only thing I can think of on this one is that homeless people often don't have much of a choice, and the rest may have mental problems that we don't know about...so I try to be patient even with the slovenly. Sometimes you just gotta see the person and not pay so much attention to the clothes...which is kind of the point of the thread anyway! (-:
Therese Shellabarger / The Roving Reporter - Civis Mundi tlshell@... / http://tlshell.cnc.net/
About the clothing issue:
Just because I'm not sexual it doesn't mean I don't have my beauty standards. What I call beautiful has nothing to do with being sexually attractive, but I take care of myself even so - even my basic clothing follow some rules - I would never wear vivid color clothing, for example.
Wow Cijay, Where is Edmonton? I mean what state? Gosh this sounds wonderful. I dress for comfort too. I have NEVER worn things for esthetics. Of course I sort of stuck out and my family has tried to get me to change more so in this area but I don't think this would go very far. I don't use make-up and hate the crap too. In the last year I did find women's pants that are obviously women's that are very comfortable. So I do have a color selection of the same style since they fulfill my comfort priority. I use comfy tennis shoes that do NOT become narrow at the end of the foot and so on.
Jen
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I guess it's different everywhere, here in Edmonton, you'd pretty much have to wear a wedding dress on your shopping errands before anyone would even look twice at what you're wearing. Then again, we're not exactly the fashion capitol of the world. Here, overall unless it's someone extremely vain, people dress for comfort/practicality over aesthetics. Being as women's clothing are less comfortable, more expensive, higher maintenance than men's or unisex, the trend is men's style clothing. If we're going through the hystorical timeline, you may want to have a look at the lace & frilly blouses, pantaloons and knee socks men once wore. I don't know why that fashion trend changed but I'm comfortable saying it was for comfort.
Don't forget too, the trend for many years (until the early 70s here) was that guys at work/school could dress however they wanted, women HAD to wear skirts/dresses. HAD TO. It can be -40 here in the winter - not often but it does happen. Women HAD TO wear dresses, shitty little ginky shoes and stockings. It progressed in the work place to they could wear pants but it HAD TO be a pantsuit. No co-ordinates, the pieces had to be purchased as a set. I can bet you a pair of frozen legs/toes that it wasn't a women who thought up that rule. So, why wouldn't we want to wear what WAS once men's clothes (but what ARE now unisex) and why would men WANT to wear nylon, fortrelle and clicky-ticky high heel shoes? Why would they WANT to pay 3 times the price for 1/2 the material?
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Edmonton is in Alberta (not a state). I'm not saying everyone runs around free 'n easy and nobody makes shitty comments but for the most of it, we mind our own biz. (this does NOT pertain to old farts like my dad who has something nasty to say about everyone)
Wow Cijay, Where is Edmonton? I mean what state? Gosh this sounds wonderful. I dress for comfort too. I have NEVER worn things for esthetics. Of course I sort of stuck out and my family has tried to get me to change more so in this area but I don't think this would go very far. I don't use make-up and hate the crap too. In the last year I did find women's pants that are obviously women's that are very comfortable. So I do have a color selection of the same style since they fulfill my comfort priority. I use comfy tennis shoes that do NOT become narrow at the end of the foot and so on.
Jen
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I guess it's different everywhere, here in Edmonton, you'd pretty much have to wear a wedding dress on your shopping errands before anyone would even look twice at what you're wearing. Then again, we're not exactly the fashion capitol of the world. Here, overall unless it's someone extremely vain, people dress for comfort/practicality over aesthetics. Being as women's clothing are less comfortable, more expensive, higher maintenance than men's or unisex, the trend is men's style clothing. If we're going through the hystorical timeline, you may want to have a look at the lace & frilly blouses, pantaloons and knee socks men once wore. I don't know why that fashion trend changed but I'm comfortable saying it was for comfort.
Don't forget too, the trend for many years (until the early 70s here) was that guys at work/school could dress however they wanted, women HAD to wear skirts/dresses. HAD TO. It can be -40 here in the winter - not often but it does happen. Women HAD TO wear dresses, shitty little ginky shoes and stockings. It progressed in the work place to they could wear pants but it HAD TO be a pantsuit. No co- ordinates, the pieces had to be purchased as a set. I can bet you a pair of frozen legs/toes that it wasn't a women who thought up that rule. So, why wouldn't we want to wear what WAS once men's clothes (but what ARE now unisex) and why would men WANT to wear nylon, fortrelle and clicky-ticky high heel shoes? Why would they WANT to pay 3 times the price for 1/2 the material?
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Cijay said:just as natural to say "see the guy over there in the black sequined gown with the pink mullet?"
Been hanging out at The Roost, have we? :-D
glenn
LOL - no, actually I've never been there. It was only a couple of months ago when I found out where it IS! I had it pictured way farther down, just north of the new Oliver place.
Cijay said:just as natural to say "see the guy over there in the black sequined gown with the pink mullet?"
Been hanging out at The Roost, have we? :-D
glenn
Cijay said:Glenn! You're in Edmonton aren't you? Go to Payless at Londonderry (now that it's safe again!) my brother manages that one LOL
I wasn't aware that Londonderry wasn't safe. Though I admit it's been a while since I've been to that mall...
glenn
Londonderry was where everyone was hiding when that guy went crazy this weekend! My brother was penned up in the mall, nobody could go in or leave (that's a pisser for week-before-Christmas shopping!)
Cijay said:Glenn! You're in Edmonton aren't you? Go to Payless at Londonderry (now that it's safe again!) my brother manages that one LOL
I wasn't aware that Londonderry wasn't safe. Though I admit it's been a while since I've been to that mall...
glenn
someone said:In my high school, we had a small crew of people (maybe 10-15) who tried to institute "Un-casual Friday". We would dress up (dresses, suits, ties..etc) on Friday.
Reminds me of my grade 12 year, when a bunch of us (all guys) formed an unofficial "Suits On Monday Club" -- we would all come to school on Monday in a suit and tie (or at the very least, shirt, tie, jacket, and pants that all co-ordinated).
glenn
what high school did you go to, Glenn?
Therese, I am sure you are correct and it would take a great deal inside for me to have regular contact with someone who dresses slovenly because I have such a reaction. Since this is a reaction not a response it is difficult to contain. Oh sure outwardly I can contain myself but inside it truly makes me ill.
Actually, I have not noticed the homeless dressing in sleazy clothing. Sure they may or may not be disheveled but that is a far cry from "sleaze attack wear" and then I must disagree with part of what you said.
I have seen the MULTITUDES of people dressing like they are looking for a "role in the hay" partner. This is just sickening to me. I don't know if anything besides this and the color red that makes me truly want to hug the porcelain god in the bathroom.
I mean, c'mon what about those women walking down the street to their car wiggling their butts. Ya know, this takes a lot of practice to step and wiggle at the same time.
Yes, yes I can seem a bit funny in my descriptions but I still think they have some clear accuracy to them.
Smile, Jen
I am hoping that both can wear comfortable clothing and tramps are not accepted. I dislike seeing men or women in sleezy clothing.
The only thing I can think of on this one is that homeless people often don't have much of a choice, and the rest may have mental problems that we don't know about...so I try to be patient even with the slovenly. Sometimes you just gotta see the person and not pay so much attention to the clothes...which is kind of the point of the thread anyway! (-:
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Hi Cijay, My mother's feet are misshaped or as you say deformed. Mine are wide at the ball of the foot and have serious nerve problems. In fact I had surgery on my right foot and will soon be doing the same on the left foot. At least 2 nerves in each foot has enlarged itself to the point they don't fit between the bones in my feet. So the tissue and the bones squeeze the hell out of the nerves in my feet and therefore must be removed. Then there is the long healing process.
Anyway, I use New Balance tennis shoes. If you use the 810 style, you can get a 4E width for around $100.00 and that is much less than what you were speaking of. I have attempted to get a different shoe other than this one in 4E yet. Prior to this problem becoming so severe I was able to use 2E shoes and those always varied between $60 and $100 which is again less than what you are paying.
Jen
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We won't be sure that women's liberation has been achieved though until it's OK for men to be like women, then finally we'll have true gender equality.
***I do agree with this, there are many things the women's libbers destroyed because they want supremacy*** As for men not being able to be like women, considering the rugged, "manly" look is only a few hundred years old and up 'til then there were no differences but for the fact that men wore "closed-crotch" clothing and women didn't. Little boys wore dresses. So it's not an age-old custom.
And the icky-ticky high heels were more directed at the dress codes up'til the 70s when we were allowed to wear what we want to work. I don't know anyone who'd give a rat's ass if a guy wears sensible women's shoes. Then again, I don't notice peoples' shoes. I just need shoes that are built for feet that are on sideways (seriously, my feet are deformed) and women's shoes aren't built for that. Funny enough the athletic shoes are, or I can get a "nice" pair for a low price of $375/pair. (men's shoes of the same type run $240).
I think if guys wanna' wear women's clothing, they may as well do it, after awhile nobody'll care. Not to mention the prices of the clothing will come down as the quality goes up.
When I was in highschool (waaaay back in 1978) people were just starting to dye their hair colours other than black, peroxide white, red or brown. Of course they caused heads to turn, especially when combined with the 'new' style haircuts. Now, nobody cares and it's natural to say "see the man over there with the green neon hair...next to the woman with the tie-dyed dreads". So, it'll be just as natural to say "see the guy over there in the black sequined gown with the pink mullet?" Honestly, nobody up here gives a shit what someone is dressed like as long as they don't stink and they're not disturbing anyone.
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Thanks Jen. It was more for dress shoes that I was talking about. I'm most comfortable in the athletic shoes (I walk on the insides of my feet and it's very painful to put my foot flat on the floor) and they're not so expensive to wreck a pair every 4 or 6 months. (My brother manages Payless). $100 of your bucks is about $130 of ours, that's just too much to go through 2 or 3 times a year. It's the dress ones that are the bother ('coz casual shoes can look really ratty before you throw them away LOL)
Hi Cijay, My mother's feet are misshaped or as you say deformed. Mine are wide at the ball of the foot and have serious nerve problems. In fact I had surgery on my right foot and will soon be doing the same on the left foot. At least 2 nerves in each foot has enlarged itself to the point they don't fit between the bones in my feet. So the tissue and the bones squeeze the hell out of the nerves in my feet and therefore must be removed. Then there is the long healing process.
Anyway, I use New Balance tennis shoes. If you use the 810 style, you can get a 4E width for around $100.00 and that is much less than what you were speaking of. I have attempted to get a different shoe other than this one in 4E yet. Prior to this problem becoming so severe I was able to use 2E shoes and those always varied between $60 and $100 which is again less than what you are paying.
Jen
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- 5
- Date
- Mon, 15 Dec 2003 16:09:55 -0000
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- "Cijay" <cijaym@y...>
- Subject
- Re: Gender Equity
We won't be sure that women's liberation has been achieved though until it's OK for men to be like women, then finally we'll have true gender equality.
***I do agree with this, there are many things the women's libbers destroyed because they want supremacy*** As for men not being able to be like women, considering the rugged, "manly" look is only a few hundred years old and up 'til then there were no differences but for the fact that men wore "closed-crotch" clothing and women didn't. Little boys wore dresses. So it's not an age-old custom.
And the icky-ticky high heels were more directed at the dress codes up'til the 70s when we were allowed to wear what we want to work. I don't know anyone who'd give a rat's ass if a guy wears sensible women's shoes. Then again, I don't notice peoples' shoes. I just need shoes that are built for feet that are on sideways (seriously, my feet are deformed) and women's shoes aren't built for that. Funny enough the athletic shoes are, or I can get a "nice" pair for a low price of $375/pair. (men's shoes of the same type run $240).
I think if guys wanna' wear women's clothing, they may as well do it, after awhile nobody'll care. Not to mention the prices of the clothing will come down as the quality goes up.
When I was in highschool (waaaay back in 1978) people were just starting to dye their hair colours other than black, peroxide white, red or brown. Of course they caused heads to turn, especially when combined with the 'new' style haircuts. Now, nobody cares and it's natural to say "see the man over there with the green neon hair...next to the woman with the tie-dyed dreads". So, it'll be just as natural to say "see the guy over there in the black sequined gown with the pink mullet?" Honestly, nobody up here gives a shit what someone is dressed like as long as they don't stink and they're not disturbing anyone.
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Cijay, are you saying Alberta in California that I refer to as californicate?
I live in Californicate so I can say it this way. LOL
Jen
Edmonton is in Alberta (not a state). I'm not saying everyone runs around free 'n easy and nobody makes shitty comments but for the most of it, we mind our own biz. (this does NOT pertain to old farts like my dad who has something nasty to say about everyone)
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Glenn and Cijay, I must say that flamers really make me roll over. Sometimes their whole get up just makes me break out laughing. I must say I try very hard not to do this in public but it's still hysterical to me.
Jen
LOL - no, actually I've never been there. It was only a couple of months ago when I found out where it IS! I had it pictured way farther down, just north of the new Oliver place.
Cijay said:just as natural to say "see the guy over there in the black sequined gown with the pink mullet?"
Been hanging out at The Roost, have we? :-D
glenn
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Hi Julie, in this section where you said "There's a part of the brainstem called the reticular activating system that in part regulates overall arousal levels and how much stimulation gets to other parts of the brain from the incoming nerves." Were you referring to what I learned as the Reticular Formation? I was once a psycho major. LOL
I've never heard of Annie's Mailbox. I am suspecting this is anniesmailbox.com but I will have to check. If it is something different please let me know.
I was really glad to see you wrote to Annie's Mailbox to inform them about people like us.
Jen
I have read with interest the comments of those of you with Asperger's Syndrome or are Highly Sensitive to stimuli. Ya'll have highlighted a major theory of the autism spectrum disorders- that such persons have difficulty handling large amounts of stimulation. When I was an undergrad psych major, I had to do some research on this topic.
I also note, in relation to the introverts topic, that one possible biological basis of the introvert/extrovert distinction is again the amount of stimulation the person is able to handle, or rather, the ideal amount for that person. There's a part of the brainstem called the reticular activating system that in part regulates overall arousal levels and how much stimulation gets to other parts of the brain from the incoming nerves. Introverts' RAS allow more stimulation to get through, thus they need less stimulation. Extroverts' RAS allow less stimulation to get through, thus they need more stimulation. At least that is one possible theory.
Sexual activity and attraction is, as far as I understand, highly sensual and arousing. Perhaps a reason those of you who are introverts or have Asperger's Syndrome identify as asexual is that you can't tolerate the amount of stimulation that sexual activity brings. Just a thought.
I actually have had good experiences with therapists with regard to my current asexual orientation. In fact they stated that there is a percentage of people who have the low end of the sexual desire bell curve. So it's "normal" (pun intended). This leads me to think that there probably has been some literature out there in the journals if the therapists have been thus enlightened, but I haven't had the time yet to search PsychInfo (psychological abstracts database) to check it out.
Btw Annie's Mailbox recently had a column on a 51 year old man who asks if asexuality is normal and that he has always been that way. They advised him to have his hormones checked out. I wrote to them about AVEN and us...
--Julie
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Hi All, well I have noticed this group is really hoppin now. WOW, I've never received a digest email with 25 emails until today. This is just great. I'm so glad to see some real action here. I hope it continues.
Jen
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Dear God, Why do humans smell the flowers,
but seldom, if ever, smell one another?
Dear God, When we get to heaven, can we sit on your couch?
Or is it the same old story?
Dear God, Why are there cars named after the jaguar, the cougar, the mustang, the colt, the stingray, and the rabbit, but not ONE named for a dog?
How often do you see a cougar riding around? We dogs love a nice ride! Would it be so hard to rename the 'Chrysler Eagle' the 'Chrysler Beagle'?
Dear God, If a dog barks his head off in the forest and no human hears him, is he still a bad dog?
Dear God, We dogs can understand human verbal instructions, hand signals, whistles, horns, clickers, beepers, scent ID's, electromagnetic energy fields, and Frisbee flight paths.
What do humans understand?
Dear God, More meatballs, less spaghetti, please.
Dear God, When we get to the Pearly Gates, do we have to shake hands to get in?
Dear God, Are there mailmen in Heaven? If there are, will I have to apologize?
Dear God, Let me give you a list of just some of the things I must remember to be a good dog:
I will not eat the cats' food before they eat it or after they throw it up. I will not roll on dead seagulls, fish, crabs, etc., just because I like the way they smell. I will not munch on "leftovers" in the kitty litter box; although they are tasty, they are not food.
The diaper pail is not a cookie jar.
The sofa is not a face towel; neither are Mom and Dad's laps.
The garbage collector is not stealing our stuff.
My head does not belong in the refrigerator.
I will not bite the officer's hand when he reaches in for Mom's driver's license and registration.
I will not play tug-of-war with Dad's underwear when he's on the toilet.
Sticking my nose into someone's crotch is not an acceptable way of saying 'hello.'
I do not need to suddenly stand straight up when I'm lying under the coffee table.
I must shake the rainwater out of my fur before entering the house.
I will not throw up in the car.
I will not come in from outside and immediately drag my butt across the carpet.
I will not sit in the middle of the living room and lick my crotch when company is over.
The cat is not a squeaky toy, so when I play with him and he makes that noise, it's usually not a good thing.
Dear God, May I have my testicles back?
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Yesterday, we on had one child with us, the youngest one. He's 7. We went to the mall to get some things, when all of a sudden he blurts out that the santa wasn't the real Santa. My husband and I looked at each other (our famous parents look, then we asked him if it wasn't the real santa then who was it? He looked at his dad and said "well daddy don't you know that the real santa is up in the norht pole making sure all the toys are being made and that this santa is his helper?" We looked at each other again this time with a smile and a wink. then it dawned on us when we get home we had to do some serious talking to the other kids, because we still have a child that believes in Santa Claus. I told my boys that my youngest said he believes in Santa Still, but my oldest on told my youngest to go out of the room. My oldest tells me in his strange voice.." mommy I still believe in santa clause but only because you do and your 31" I gave out a chuckle and asked him to explain... He tells me that we all are Santa clause in our hearts when we give coats and toys to other kids who don't have them. When we leave food on the doorstep of someone who needs it. or like your did mom when you bought a whole bunch of school supplies and left them on the neighbors step because you knew she couldn't afford to get her son some new school supplies in the middle of the school year. So see mom we're all Santa Clause as long as we remember to give to someone who might not have anything.
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